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To send screenshot of Year 7 WhatsApp group chat encouraging knives in school.

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Sailingtelltales · 14/11/2020 19:26

The question really is how far do secondary schools take business conducted outside of school seriously?
IABU to forward WhatsApp group chat content with Year 7s encouraging bad behaviour to the school headmistress, or just let them deal with it in their own time??

My son is 11.
Both he and his slightly older sister have had a relatively sheltered upbringing. Neither have had access to nor are interested in things like MTV type music videos, social media, bragging, showing off, pretending to be gangsters in the style of textspeak they use with friends on their phone or Xbox in-game chat, that sort of thing.

They are both appalled by other kids bad behaviour in school, and neither have ever broken the rules.
My son has become house Captain within a month of starting secondary school and has already complained that class discipline is so poor he can’t actually learn Grin.

Not to make them sound too square, they’re otherwise normal kids, have friends, stable family life, gaming consoles, mobile phones (monitored by us with their knowledge) etc

However, having scrolled through a group WhatsApp on his phone, I’m astonished to find kids I’ve known since their infant school days, using the worst kind of language, the girls being cajoled into posting photos of their faces, girls being called whores, and that their fellow 11 year old boys in their school want to ‘ gangbang them and their Year 7 mums’ Hmm.

There’s also mention of a kid bringing his knife into school (which is being dealt with by school). But on the group chat, he’s being encouraged to do it yet again.

I know school can’t police anything outside the grounds, but should I screensave this chat and forward to the headmistress, where it’s mentioned he’ll be bringing a knife in again?

I appreciate most of this is down to my being a bit of a prude as far as the language and discussion goes on 11 year old’s WhatsApp group chats ....I had no idea ! .... and that boys this age are mostly big puffs of air.
...But we don’t live in an inner city urban gangland, we are east of England suburbia, so the issue with this kids peers encouraging him as ‘the class naughty boy’ to keep being naughty, is frustrating.

I’ve already deleted my son off this group chat but they keep adding him back onto it by changing Admin members daily, so I’m on a losing battle there.

I’ve spoken to both my kids about the topics raised in group chat and they understand why it’s wrong regarding the pressure to make girls post photos of themselves, and encouraging weapons in school.

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WeKnowFrogsGoShaLaLaLaLa · 14/11/2020 20:50

Pastoral lead in a secondary here - please share. We would work with the students encouraging the return of the knife using our YOT liaison and look at other interventions too.

00100001 · 14/11/2020 20:54

@MsTSwift

Think I’d either go private or move tbh
Oh of course, because there's no safeguarding issues in private schools and no bad behaviour or bullying or such like... Hmm
YardleyX · 14/11/2020 21:10

Ha ha!!

In my experience, private school kids are often the worst when it comes to this sort of nonsense.

Don’t underestimate the number of private school pupils who have had easy access to multiple forms of tech since a very young age.

T0rt0ise · 14/11/2020 21:11

Secondary school teacher - these things are taken very seriously in my school. Screenshot and send in. Personally I would also be either removing WhatsApp or blocking the numbers that keep readding your son to the group.

SomelikeitHoth · 14/11/2020 21:17

Yes let school know. They can deal with this and stamp it out

Bakeachocolatecaketoday · 14/11/2020 21:30

@Sailingtelltales

The question really is how far do secondary schools take business conducted outside of school seriously? IABU to forward WhatsApp group chat content with Year 7s encouraging bad behaviour to the school headmistress, or just let them deal with it in their own time??

My son is 11.
Both he and his slightly older sister have had a relatively sheltered upbringing. Neither have had access to nor are interested in things like MTV type music videos, social media, bragging, showing off, pretending to be gangsters in the style of textspeak they use with friends on their phone or Xbox in-game chat, that sort of thing.

They are both appalled by other kids bad behaviour in school, and neither have ever broken the rules.
My son has become house Captain within a month of starting secondary school and has already complained that class discipline is so poor he can’t actually learn Grin.

Not to make them sound too square, they’re otherwise normal kids, have friends, stable family life, gaming consoles, mobile phones (monitored by us with their knowledge) etc

However, having scrolled through a group WhatsApp on his phone, I’m astonished to find kids I’ve known since their infant school days, using the worst kind of language, the girls being cajoled into posting photos of their faces, girls being called whores, and that their fellow 11 year old boys in their school want to ‘ gangbang them and their Year 7 mums’ Hmm.

There’s also mention of a kid bringing his knife into school (which is being dealt with by school). But on the group chat, he’s being encouraged to do it yet again.

I know school can’t police anything outside the grounds, but should I screensave this chat and forward to the headmistress, where it’s mentioned he’ll be bringing a knife in again?

I appreciate most of this is down to my being a bit of a prude as far as the language and discussion goes on 11 year old’s WhatsApp group chats ....I had no idea ! .... and that boys this age are mostly big puffs of air.
...But we don’t live in an inner city urban gangland, we are east of England suburbia, so the issue with this kids peers encouraging him as ‘the class naughty boy’ to keep being naughty, is frustrating.

I’ve already deleted my son off this group chat but they keep adding him back onto it by changing Admin members daily, so I’m on a losing battle there.

I’ve spoken to both my kids about the topics raised in group chat and they understand why it’s wrong regarding the pressure to make girls post photos of themselves, and encouraging weapons in school.

@Sailingtelltales you can stop him being added to the group chat.

On WhatsApp go to settings (cog in bottom right)

Click Account

Click Privacy

Click Groups

Click "my contacts except"

Click "select all" (you may wish to deselect yourself and his dad and siblings!)

This will mean he can't be added to a group by any of the people selected. If someone adds him it will send him a private message with a link to add himself which he can click on if he wants to.

NiceandCalm · 14/11/2020 21:40

There was a story about this recently on Educating Greater Manchester - boy bringing in a butterfly knife.
Also, I'm sure the knife would have been confiscated.
However, yes report it.
Also, if your son receives an invite to a group chat, he doesn't have to accept it!

Timshortforthalia · 14/11/2020 21:42

@MsTSwift

Think I’d either go private or move tbh
You should read y7 DS's group chat.

Not the group chat from the state school he attends now, but the Y7 chat from the kids who stayed at the private school he went to for primary. Some really vile, nasty, sexualised stuff.

Flutter12 · 14/11/2020 21:58

As a teacher and a parent, I would want you to share this with the school. There is not a lot the school can do but knowing these things are being said is better than not knowing. They may not be in trouble as such but assemblies from the head and things saying that we have seen the messages will definitely scare them a bit.

Someone's child I know who lives in a very nice area and goes to a private school has been involved in a similar situation. I read the messages and the language was vile! Literally, things you wouldn't say to your worst enemy and these are all 'good' kids. The school hasn't been informed but the parents all had it out with each other blaming the other person's child and now just read the messages all the time.

I think they hear these words but not realise what they mean so use as many as they can to look cool. It seems to be year 7-8 when this sort of nastiness comes out.
It is important now OP that your DC doesn't say anything rude back to these kids as that's how it gets so personal and that you just keep checking the messages as you are doing and send them into the school/to the other parents.

justasmalltownmum · 14/11/2020 22:26

Yes tell the school.

Had an incident like this in our school. 40 so kids in a group and they all got a massive telling off by the school police officer. WhatsApp Group was removed.

MsTSwift · 14/11/2020 23:12

I dunno I have a year 7 in a state school and there is nothing like this going on on her WhatsApp sounds toxic

Flittingaboutagain · 14/11/2020 23:15

The police got involved in my DSD secondary school because of what was said on the kids WA. They will take it seriously.

MsTSwift · 14/11/2020 23:15

Fgs my private school comment was tongue in cheek! The dreadful Warwick university WhatsApp scandal were all boys from our local very grand (Catholic) private school ...

Somewhereelsewhere · 14/11/2020 23:21

How depressing
My child is younger but it must be so hard trying to protect them when this is surrounding them.

feministbias · 14/11/2020 23:23

So the encouraging to bring a knife in you are concerned enough to bring to the schools attentions but the rape threats and sexual abuse of minors is just a Hmm.

Delete WhatsApp altogether.

BluebellsGreenbells · 14/11/2020 23:27

Several serious incidents of knives in school have been know about before they’ve happened and pupils and parents never took it seriously.

If he’s been pushed to bring it in, then what’s next? Stab a pupil? Stab a teacher?

The boys needs a kick up the bum to sort his life out and the school might just need an excuse to expel him.

Sickofmysalary · 14/11/2020 23:28

It really scares me the unsupervised access to tech that my 10 year olds friends have. I’ve seen a few nasty little girl things that I really didn’t like but I just think how are they going to have any control over this when the kids are in their teens when they’ve been given this much this young.

Definitely contact the school OP.

Lougle · 14/11/2020 23:34

Do raise it. My DD was sent a very graphic, violent video in year 6. I showed the DHT of the school, and he dealt with it that day, plus a generic 'be careful with media...' message was also sent out to all parents.

frustrationcentral · 14/11/2020 23:37

Definitely tell school! DS has just started yr 7 and his school emailed last week saying if there was anything outside of school that happened eg online then please screenshot and send it to them.

Sailingtelltales · 15/11/2020 07:06

I’ve emailed the headmistress now with screenshots.

The child also has a Tik Tok account ‘showcasing’ this knife.
The disclaimer on his photos is “Not A Real Knife” so why the intention to pretend it is?

Yes obviously I have had a snoop at his parents social media I’m not bothering with a guilty blush emoji we all do it don’t we, ...

Single parent family lives with his unemployed dad, with half a dozen siblings, the father joins in with his son’s ‘gangsta’ style posturing on his son’s Tik Tok videos.
What a bloody shame this kid is going to end up being expelled from one school to another his whole life it looks like, and yes I will judge a book by the cover as his own dad really doesn’t look like he’s teaching his son any ethics.

The comment upthread about private school children being better behaved online? ... check their phone chats. Explicit verbal articulation and propensity for bullying behaviour transcends all economic backgrounds.

I trust the school will deal with appropriately, I’m just sad that this kid is going to have his future mapped out for him somehow.

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Mintjulia · 15/11/2020 07:35

Ok. You just lost my support. What relevance does him being a single parent have? And in case you haven't noticed, tens of thousands of people are unemployed due to cv. It's not necessarily a lifestyle choice. Your post smacks of bigotry.

The issue is child criminality and risk. The possession of a knife, the threat to rape, the incitement. I'd stick with that if I were you.

Snackasaurus · 15/11/2020 07:42

I would definitely screenshot and send! :)

LilacPebbles · 15/11/2020 07:53

Yeah you've lost me with your latest update. Awful.

Like PP, I saw that episode of Educating Greater Manchester as well. Lovely lad who did it. Young people just need a bit of direction sometimes.

RBKB · 15/11/2020 07:54

Share it with school (secondary teacher speaking). Kids on that chat are sexually bullying others and threatening each other and it's probably to an unlawful degree, kids are criminally responsible from 10 in the uk. They need intervention so they realise how unacceptable that is. You will literally be doing them a favour.

Lougle · 15/11/2020 07:55

What a horrible post. That's really unkind.

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