Is there going to be a civil war in America?

[Dustballs]

I know Biden's won the election and is the new president.

What is Trump up to though?

He keeps sacking people - what's he doing? Is he planning to start a civil war?

I think charlottemont sums up the situation well. Trump is attempting to undermine democracy and cause long-term damage.

One of the most disturbing things I heard this week on the radio was a former Trump campaign official. He said that Trumpism as an ideology (populism, disinformation, illiberal democracy) could actually increase in popularity once its potentially biggest weakness is gone - Trump himself. While he has his devotees,his personality is off-putting to some who might otherwise support his doctrine.

Nah, people are too lazy to go to war nowadays. They’re pacified by Netflix and junk food. Far too selfish to sign up for a cause.

Ohhh I see the simpletons are in. No 'the left' are not more violent.

''A new database of nearly 900 politically motivated attacks and plots in the United States since 1994 includes just one attack staged by an anti-fascist that led to fatalities. In that case, the single person killed was the perpetrator.

Over the same time period, American white supremacists and other rightwing extremists have carried out attacks that left at least 329 victims dead, according to the database.

More broadly, the database lists 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks since 2010 , and 117 victims of rightwing attacks in that same period – nearly six times as much. Attacks inspired by the Islamic State and similar jihadist groups, in contrast, killed 95 people since 2010, slightly fewer than rightwing extremists, according to the data set.''

The army also supports Biden and fat Chad with his plastic AR cant even run 20 metres.

Why are you STILL supporting a man who is lying and suggesting bringing a coup to stay in power? what the fuck is wrong with you all?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa

Democracy can be so weedy and pathetic, especially this US system. It should just be you lose the election and you're out, no you arnt calling martial law, no you arnt bringing court cases, you're out end of conversation otherwise you're physically dragged out.

Then again, if you will base a system on the Roman Republic. That never had obvious flaws that were exploited by meglomaniac twats of the Trump falvour every 30 years or so or anything like that.

We should probably be looking for a system that is a bit newer than 2500 years old ones which ended in a European wide civil war, a Dictator then 500 years of more of the same with war and dictatorships

Trumpism? It's an ism? What happened to that great old American tradition of hating a "sore loser"?

Ohhh I see the simpletons are in. No 'the left' are not more violent.

How many people have died under communism?

Then again, if you will base a system on the Roman Republic. That never had obvious flaws that were exploited by meglomaniac twats of the Trump falvour every 30 years or so or anything like that.

I'd not have wanted to live under Caligula, Nero, etc. Taxing the shit out of the public to build lavish palaces and statues of themselves.

@longwayoff

Trumpism? It's an ism? What happened to that great old American tradition of hating a "sore loser"?

Trumpism

How many people have died under communism?

Extremes at either end of the political scale tend to be violent.

The left is much peace loving and less hawkish than the right.

Nah, people are too lazy to go to war nowadays. They’re pacified by Netflix and junk food. Far too selfish to sign up for a cause.

Some people are, but some are fired up at the moment. Look at the far right in U.K. and US.

I wouldn't put it past the lunatic to try and instigate something. The fact that this is actually being seriously discussed is utterly shocking and I hope that Americans are equally as shocked about that.

The reassuring thing so far is that there has been little violence from Trump supporters following the calling of the election, despite Trump and his buddies stoking fires left, right and centre. Also, Trump has not got the unwavering support from the armed forces after spending ages insulting them.

What I am concerned about is that there will be disruption that will delay and upset the transfer of power. That there could be conflicts between state legislatures and governors in terms of appointing electors and that we may have to see the transfer of power go via Congress. From what I understand, this should result in Biden assuming power (as Congress should recognise the state electors proposed by democratic governors for key states rather than republican legislatures), but there is always uncertainty.

There won't be a civil war. In some ways it would be good, American politics needs refreshing. A civil war would help resolve a lot of dilemmas America faces. (Do they want racial equality? Do they want to keep their guns? Should the be the policemen of the world? Should they even police their own society? Is the American dream still alive?)

American society seems to have reached a point where nobody is happy and it needs to choose its direction. Half the people think it's too "progressive", that their rights have been eroded in the name of equality. The other half think that it's nowhere progressive enough. The two sides are just drifting further apart.

A civil war would resolve this. I think it would be in the interests of the traditionalists to have the war sooner rather than later. It's likely that the progressives will continue to grow in number, and continue to water down gun rights and so on. Right now, the traditionalists would have a decent chance of turning the direction of travel around. Give it a decade or two, and I think the progressives will be in an unassailable position.

Brilliant idea. Civil war to resolve the political divide in US. Just when you think ultimate lunacy has been reached, someone pushes the boundary out further.

How is a civil war ever good?
Spain
Yougoslavia

What were the good outcomes from these and many others?

I don't think so - 80% of Americans apparently believe Biden is the rightful winner (though I don't know whether the polling sample was impartial) and even though 20% is still a slightly scary figure to believe he isn't, it's only a tiny % of that who would actually fight for it, and they're probably most likely scattered around non-urban areas of the US, so the chances of them actually coming together in meaningful force somewhere it could make a difference is small, IMO.

No there isn't

There won't be a civil war. In some ways it would be good, American politics needs refreshing. A civil war would help resolve a lot of dilemmas America faces.

Just like the last civil war in the US solved lots of things? People in the states can't even agree what the US civil war was about!

Hard for down to believe but people in America are not so different from us or the population of the rest of the world

Most are just getting on with their every day lives working, looking after family

Vast majority are way to comfortable to want a war in their own country

Do all British people agree with what is considered British history- obviously not judging by the result of the Scottish Independence referendum

Honestly some on here just seem a little to over excited about the prospect of America breaking out into Civil war

@LordLancington

“How many people have died under communism?”

How many people have died under capitalism?

Being left politically is not communism. You have the entire internet at your fingertips.

Just like the last civil war in the US solved lots of things?

It solved the slavery issue

People in the states can't even agree what the US civil war was about

Also true

Less than have died under capitalism.

And my point is that the Roman Republic lead to the likes of Caligula directly.

@contrmary I really don’t understand those who think civil wars are a solution. If you must have a split there are other ways. Look to Czechoslovakia. No one really wins full wars, look at the mess in Europe after WW2 and the Iraq invasion. Civil wars are worse.

Being left politically is not communism. indeed. Talking of the world wars (this time of year being a good time to remember them) socialists were big victims of communism in Eastern Europe.

The Roman Republic became corrupt, no doubt academics could and probably have told us why. I blame the increasing separation of elites from lower groups, lack of communication, lack of empathy, the usual breakdown.

We here and now in the UK, US and EU are not Rome. We’ve had 2500 years of development since. We have thrown empires over since and recreated more equal socialist societies since the worst breakdown in human history. All we need to do is start the re-creations without the preceding breakdown.

Simple.

Breaking news from The NYT:

’Top US government officials declared the election to be “the most secure” in history, saying there was no sign any voting system was compromised.’

Phew. There I was, thinking the richest, most powerful country on earth couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery. Very happy to know that very clearly is not, and never was, the case.

So, over to Trump. Will he now do the decent thing, and let his countrymen and women move on?

Democracy can be so weedy and pathetic, especially this US system. It should just be you lose the election and you're out, no you arnt calling martial law, no you arnt bringing court cases, you're out end of conversation otherwise you're physically dragged out.

Said no liberal following Brexit and Trump's original inauguration. They were all crying for a second referendum.