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Is there going to be a civil war in America?

140 replies

Dustballs · 10/11/2020 23:26

I know Biden's won the election and is the new president.

What is Trump up to though?

He keeps sacking people - what's he doing? Is he planning to start a civil war?

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MerchantOfVenom · 11/11/2020 02:45

@LordLancington

It's easy to cherry pick photos though. Most of the violence has come from the left so far it seems.

Here are some anti Trump supporters doing their thing...

Your comment was:

”I'm not sure I've ever seen Trump supporters talking about guns, unless it was debates around the NRA etc.”

... which I thought was rather sweet (in a psychotic way)...

MerchantOfVenom · 11/11/2020 02:46

...and it still very much appears to the Trumpies waving the guns....

LordLancington · 11/11/2020 02:47

Trump inauguration protest.

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MerchantOfVenom · 11/11/2020 02:50

And again, for the slow of comprehension at the back - your comment was ”I'm not sure I've ever seen Trump supporters talking about guns“.

They’re always the ones wielding the guns.

But love that your idea of left violence is a girl holding up a phone and a sign, and two girls shouting.

Topseyt · 11/11/2020 02:51

Full on civil war, no. However, I do think that he could light the touchpaper for some unplanned civil unrest if he keeps his twattery up.

He is stupid enough.

LordLancington · 11/11/2020 02:52

Your comment was:

”I'm not sure I've ever seen Trump supporters talking about guns, unless it was debates around the NRA etc.”

... which I thought was rather sweet (in a psychotic way)...

I've not seen any of those photos before.

I'm not pro-Trump, it's just that I've seen all the videos of his opposition burning cars etc and reckon we'd have seen it again had he got in for a second term. Whether pro-Trump supporters will be burning cars and property remains to be seen, but I doubt it as it's not started yet.

MerchantOfVenom · 11/11/2020 02:53

This chap roaring at a policeman looks like a nice man.

Much less threatening that phone and sign-wielding lady...

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MerchantOfVenom · 11/11/2020 02:53

I've not seen any of those photos before.

How is that even possible ? 🤯

LordLancington · 11/11/2020 02:54

But love that your idea of left violence is a girl holding up a phone and a sign, and two girls shouting.

And um the burning cars directly above your post.

MerchantOfVenom · 11/11/2020 02:55

Whether pro-Trump supporters will be burning cars and property remains to be seen, but I doubt it as it's not started yet.

Open up some of the photos I’ve posted above to read the captions, and you’ll see that the armed Trump supporters are already outside vote counting centres.

LordLancington · 11/11/2020 02:56

And not to forget the innocent policemen murdered by BLM supporters.

MerchantOfVenom · 11/11/2020 02:57

And not to forget the the innocent black people murdered by policeman. Which is what sparked the BLM movement in the first place. Confused

LordLancington · 11/11/2020 02:58

Until they murder police and burn cars/property I'm less intimidated by their symbolic demonstration of their right to bear arms. I'd sooner see gun laws tightened but murder and rioting is worse than protesting your right to bear arms.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 11/11/2020 03:00

@MerchantOfVenom. Where do you live in the US
(roughly)? I live here and there’s no sign of unrest, so please stop stirring people up.

If you’ve experienced post-election unrest where you live, feel free to contradict me, I haven’t heard of any incidents from my friends and relatives scattered across the country.

LordLancington · 11/11/2020 03:00

And not to forget the the innocent black people murdered by policeman. Which is what sparked the BLM movement in the first place.

By the same policemen who were murdered?

It sounds like you support their behaviour.

LordLancington · 11/11/2020 03:02

I'd sooner have a police force than have it abolished on the command of people who riot and murder. Police cuts strangely seem to lead to an increase in crime. 🤔

MerchantOfVenom · 11/11/2020 03:03

They’re not demonstrating their right to bear arms.

They’re protesting the lockdown, storming the state capitol, confronting (non-armed) BLM protesters (with guns), and now they’re turning up outside vote counting stations.

And always, always, heavily armed.

Just because you miraculously haven’t seen these many, many, many images, doesn’t mean this isn’t happening.

HerRoyalNotness · 11/11/2020 03:07

I think there will
Be pockets of violence and clashes, most likely some lone mass shooters. Pretty much par for the course here, they’ll just blame a different cause

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LordLancington · 11/11/2020 03:09

To be fair, maybe the armed Trump supporters will be able to prevent the opposition from rioting and murdering.

GooseWhiskers · 11/11/2020 03:23

There currently a lot of talk going around that Trump is attempting to stage a coup - albeit an pretty badly organised one.

Despite all of us probably knowing that he wouldn’t go down easily in the event of losing the election, it’s complete madness to see it actually happen!

LordLancington · 11/11/2020 04:41

'Biden shot by Trump supporter'. Can you imagine the shitstorm!

charlottemont · 11/11/2020 04:42

LordLancington

I recommend you read about the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally. Neo-nazis (who all openly support Trump) marched on the grounds of the University of Virginia and then throughout Charlottesville (a very liberal small city). They were violently protesting with horrific rhetoric (things like "Jews will not replace us") because Charlottesville was considering taking down a statue of Robert E. Lee, a commander of the Confederate army during the Civil War. Statues like that are, to many people, symbols of hate so Charlottesville was considering replacing it.

One of those neo-Nazis ran over a counter-protester and killed her.

In addition, it seems that you really have a very minimal understanding of the BLM movement. The reason why there were such widespread protests was because people are tired of black people being killed by police officers. While absolutely no killing is ok, an unarmed black man dying by a policeman kneeling on his throat is a little different than a policeman dying in the line of duty. Both are absolute tragedies, but one is also an abuse of power. I understand that there was rioting, but consider two things in that regard. First, as MLK Junior said, "Riots are the language of the unheard." Systemic racism is so rampant in the US and people are tired of not being listened to. Particularly when Trump tells the Proud Boys (an alt-right group) during a presidential debate to "stand by." Second, a large number of people looting and whatnot were not actually protesters, they were just taking advantage of the chaos -- which is obviously not ok.

Finally, if you need some more examples of threats of violence straight from the top, here is an article that has compiled many of Trump's threatening/violent comments: www.vox.com/21506029/trump-violence-tweets-racist-hate-speech

Also, I simply have a hard time believing that you don't associate guns with the right. That's just kind of... one of their things.

I apologize if this came off as condescending or anything like that; that is not my intention at all. It's hard because, yes, there are bad apples on both sides and neither are perfect. The reality is, however, that Trumpism has invaded the GOP and this is no longer a question of politics, but rather ethics and morality. Only one side has their leader inciting violence. The other denounces it.

And as for the OP's question as to whether there could be a civil war, I think it depends on how you define "civil war." Will there be an organized military effort with battles and whatnot? No. But if Trump succeeds in stealing this election and totally undermines American democracy, there will be violence. More than that, though, he will have possibly irreparably torn our country apart. He has created a wider divide than there has likely ever been, and that would simply be the tipping point. I am not sure that our country could recover. That sounds dramatic and I don't actually think the country would actually break up or anything like that, but it would be extraordinarily hard to undo that damage.

DarkMutterings · 11/11/2020 04:46

For the sake of his TV channel money maker he can't afford to lose, but he can have the presidency 'stolen' from him a d still make it work (you could argue it would even be better)
He'll keep this going as long as he can because that gives him a better launch
The man is a fuckwit, but he's one of the best snake oil salesman going

lovelemoncurd · 11/11/2020 04:51

I wouldn't put it past that freak show of Republican supporters to try to assassinate Biden. If so Trump should be arrested for citing violence. It's a total mess and that's what happens when you vote someone in with a personality disorder. A better fitness to govern assessment required I think in future!

PerveenMistry · 11/11/2020 05:58

@LordLancington

It's easy to cherry pick photos though. Most of the violence has come from the left so far it seems.

Here are some anti Trump supporters doing their thing...

I'm in the US and this is incorrect. The politically motivated violence and domestic terrorism is largely perpetrated by the far right.

Incidence of violence at progressive demonstrations is low and usually sparked by white supremecist counter-protesters and/or overly aggressive police intervention.