Is there going to be a civil war in America?

[Dustballs]

I know Biden's won the election and is the new president.

What is Trump up to though?

He keeps sacking people - what's he doing? Is he planning to start a civil war?

@LordLancington

Until they murder police and burn cars/property I'm less intimidated by their symbolic demonstration of their right to bear arms. I'd sooner see gun laws tightened but murder and rioting is worse than protesting your right to bear arms.

What about the gang arrested and charged with plotting to kidnap and kill Michigan's governor? Far-right terrorists. There is video of them practicing a choreographed assault with automatic rifles.

What about the man named Kyle who killed a protester and wounded others?

I'm unaware of any incidents where liberals were seen or filmed wielding assault rifles. And I'm in the news business.

Time to go to Specsavers @LordLancington.

LordLancington has form for being deeply disingenuous when it comes to Trump, on here.

He (I’m assuming he’s a ‘he’) tried to make out on another thread than when Trump spoke of ‘grabbing them by the pussy’, he was speaking theoretically - pussy grabbing is something celebrities can do, not something he personally would do (even though he fully admits to doing just that in the rest of that recording).

Not quite sure of his motivation, but each to their own...

No, Biden won so not BLM,Antifa riots.
Have the Trump supporters started them?

Have the Trump supporters started them?

Trump supporters are still waiting for Trump to give them the go ahead. They're holding out hope that he can somehow pull some evidence of voter fraud out of his ass.

No of course not There wasn’t the widespread violence that many on MN predicted last week

Most Americans just want some normality back and have a life to get on with

Gun ownership is wide spread in America not all are Trump or even Republicans many see it as their fundamental right regardless of who they vote

I asked my friends about this, they live in DC. They said it’s unlikely because everyone is just exhausted by it all at this point and they just want to go back to normal life.

Glad to hear that most Americans are moving on and accepting the results. Shame some of the posters that have been on and on about Trump since before he was elected in 2016 are still stirring and keen on problems to escalate. Move on or get help because is not normal.

My guess is that Tr*mp is interested in 2 things: getting money for himself and being the centre of attention (best case for him- that attention comes with plenty of adulation).

I don't think he will spend money, work hard, or plan anything at all.

I think he will play a lot of golf, make a bunch of provocative and offensive statements, do some destructive and cruel things, try to use his position to grab something he shouldn't.

I don't think his racism or misogyny is deeply committed on an idealistic level, so I don't think he is actually planning for how to further erode human rights. His party has used his nastiness to create cruel policies, and his deplorable disciples have used his nastiness to charge themselves up.

I can imagine there might be uncoordinated violence/riots. I can't imagine the Trump administration sucessfully organising a coup though - I can easily imagine them trying and it would probably involve multiple fuckups, e.g. intending to send the rebel army to Congress but accidentally marching to "Congress infertility solutions" on the outskirts of an industrial estate instead.

I think something Very Bad is brewing. Trump knows that none of this 'fraud' bullshit is for real, at least not on a scale which will make any difference to the margins of the vote. I would expect him to throw a tantrum like this, but the worrying thing is the complicity of other senior Republicans like McConnell, Bill Barr and Mike Pompeo. They aren't stupid people. (Evil maybe, but not stupid.) Add into the mix Trump's mass firings at the Pentagon yesterday and I'm getting a very nasty feeling indeed.

Not sure civil war is the end game - though I'm sure part of the plan might be to provoke the 'left' into some kind of protest which will no doubt be construed as violent, to justify the use of force.

I think the real plan is probably to manipulate the Electoral College vote under the pretence of being unable to certify the election results in time because of all frivolous (and baseless) law suits being thrown around. Failing that, he might try for a military coup - with any 'antifa' activity as an excuse.

The other possibility is that he's planning on starting a war somewhere (probably Iran) and using that to justify staying in power.

None of the options are looking good right now. 😔

Add into the mix Trump's mass firings at the Pentagon yesterday and I'm getting a very nasty feeling indeed.

This has me worried as well. There is no reason for it during a presidential transition. It can't mean anything good.

@yetanothernamitynamechange

I can imagine there might be uncoordinated violence/riots. I can't imagine the Trump administration sucessfully organising a coup though - I can easily imagine them trying and it would probably involve multiple fuckups, e.g. intending to send the rebel army to Congress but accidentally marching to "Congress infertility solutions" on the outskirts of an industrial estate instead.

This

I’m just terrified. Trump’s insane, he’ll stop at nothing.

No. Antifa have no reason to riot and loot now that Biden has won.

It’s just a buffoon digging in his stupidity.

No ones going to war for that.

Trump will leave the Whitehouse as required in January, claiming an illegal election and stating that he will run in 2024.
Trump will not attend the inauguration of Joe Biden.
The Republican Party will dump Trump and have a new candidate for the next election in 2024.
Trump will forever maintain that he won the election, but that the Media and voting fraud stole it from him.
America will move on.

Sorry - I've only just seen all these replies. Thank you.

There's lots of things that have made me wonder this, but the strongest was watching the anger in Trump demonstrations shown on Newsnight.

The thing that scared me was that many of the angry Trump supporters had what looked like machine guns strapped to them. I can't imagine how this is not going to end badly.

Add into the mix Trump's mass firings at the Pentagon yesterday

Yes- this too. What is this about?

@Dustballs nothing good I fear. The best case scenario seems to be that he's covering up his tracks / implanting some of his own people to sabotage the next administration. Alternatives are a coup, or starting a war somewhere to justify use of Emergency Powers. I hope there's a more innocent explanation but I can't think of one.

When you say sabotage the next administration - @3ormorecharacters - I don't understand.

When Biden comes in he will just replace everyone - won't he?

I don't understand how US politics works.

There won't be a conventional civil war with two armies facing each other, but there could be a great amount of violence and unrest. The fear is that Trump inflames the situation, declares martial law and doesn't let the electors confirm Biden. Constitutional crisis, and he owns the supreme court.

The firings at DoD and DoJ are deeply worrying. Although some are saying the Pentagon firings are because they were slow-walking withdrawal from Afghanistan.

To be fair, maybe the armed Trump supporters will be able to prevent the opposition from rioting and murdering.

Yes, by killing them.

If you think left-wing violence is the main problem then you're just a gullible Trumpist.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremacists-rightwing-domestic-terror-2020

White supremacists and other rightwing extremists have been responsible for 67% of domestic terror attacks and plots so far this year, with at least half of that violence targeting protesters, according to a new analysis from a centrist thinktank.

The report found only a single deadly “far-left” attack in 2020, the shooting of Aaron Danielson, a rightwing activist, by a self-described “anti-fascist” during a protest in Portland this August. Experts on extremism said this was the first killing linked to an anti-fascist in the United States in 25 years.

Those militiamen types with their military standard weapons bloody terrify me.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were incidents of violence, but I think civil war is perhaps pushing it a bit far.