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Are these Christmas plans unreasonable?

124 replies

ChristmasPoster · 08/11/2020 12:30

My boyfriend has proposed that for Christmas because of lock down his younger brother will be by himself and that we should visit him on Christmas day to give him his presents. I didn’t say anything but the more I think about it the more I am annoyed by the idea.

To give a bit of background and context: My boyfriends brother does not have a good track record when it comes to giving us presents - we often buy him expensive things and he gives us nothing back, or something very generic and inexpensive in return (basically something that hasn’t had any thought put into it whatsoever, i.e. not something homemade or had a lot of thought put into it.) I have given up trying to talk to my boyfriend about it as he is seemingly not bothered that I am hurt and angry on his behalf that he buys his brother all these things and doesn’t get any acknowledgement for it but it’s ultimately his decision if he wants to get treated like this. Personally I think one year we should just not buy him anything and watch the look on his face when he realises he hasn’t got anything from us.

My AIBU is that as Christmas is going to be different this year I thought because of lock down we would be spending the day alone with each other. But now he has mentioned the idea of visiting his family on Christmas morning, including his brother. But I don’t see the point of this at all. All we will be doing is driving from place to place, shouting to each other from a socially acceptable distance and exchanging presents by leaving them in a safe spot - and in the brothers case there will either not be a present to pick up, or something that wasn’t worth the journey. I find Christmas very stressful at the best of times and was looking forward to this year being laid back and relaxed and now I feel like it’s been ruined and a problem before it’s even happened. This would also be taking place in the morning which means getting up early. I just wonder why we should be the ones running around and sacrificing our own morning for the sake of his brother? He wouldn’t do the same for us, he would just see us when he sees us which is exactly what I agree with and wonder why my boyfriend won’t have the same attitude when it comes to dealing with him. His parents alive close so that’s not a grumble but his brothers is a two hour drive away and I won’t want to disrupt our plans and have to get dressed and ready just to drive all the way there and give him all of his presents and stand there while we get nothing back and then say goodbye and drive all the way back when we could instead spend the morning in PJs and just have a relaxing morning together and then just see him on Boxing Day or the days after that. AIBU in thinking that this does not need to take place on Christmas morning and a Skype call would be sufficient?

OP posts:
Lazypuppy · 08/11/2020 13:18

You seem very focused on presents!

Let your BF go and just stay at home for him to come back if you're that bothered

PickleWithEverything · 08/11/2020 13:20

I think you are getting a rough ride here.

There is NO WAY I would waste 4 hours of Christmas day driving to and from someone's house, just to wave an drop off a gift.

I would cheerfully spend 4 hours or more chatting to the BIL on facetime, and send him a gift by post in advance and open it "together" during the call.

And if he is on his own, why the heck can't he make the hour round trip and go see his parents at the same time, if they are living nearer to you surely that makes sense?

I wouldn't agree to it this year OP. I would say, you will visit him on Christmas day every 3rd or 4th year by rotation - one year he comes to you, next you both go to the PIL, next you go to your family, and in the 4th year you go to him. Taking it in turns is the only fair way.

Sindragosan · 08/11/2020 13:22

Depending where you live you might not be allowed to drive 2hrs anywhere if it crosses county lines. Let your BF go Christmas eve or boxing day by himself - adults are allowed to meet up one on one.

WhoseThatGirl · 08/11/2020 13:24

4 hours is a lot of driving but I think you should be proud of your BF. Get some Christmas tunes on in the car and make a road trip out of it. Your OP sounds very mean spirited.

Sargass0 · 08/11/2020 13:25

Either
A) GF
B) self absorbed gobshite
C) reverse

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 08/11/2020 13:25

So don't go. You sound really selfish.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 08/11/2020 13:26

Everyone has a different take on Christmas, for me it's the more the merrier and being sociable ( in normal circumstances!) In your shoes I would invite the brother to you for xmas day rather than him being alone.
But it's not about me .
You and your boyfriend need to be on the same page about this if you are thinking of being life partners

Omeara · 08/11/2020 13:27

If his brother lives alone isn’t he allowed to form a support bubble with another household?

If so, invite him to yours or suggest your boyfriend spends Christmas with him.

Your boyfriend sounds very considerate, you not so much

Sparklfairy · 08/11/2020 13:27

@FourTeaFallOut

Grin So, you would go if he didn't give shit presents?

I remember you from last year. Can you imagine being so uncharitable that a complete stranger can remember who you are because your selfishness is so remarkable?

Ouch. Is it bad I remember her too?? Grin
jessstan1 · 08/11/2020 13:30

@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult

But it wouldn't bother you if you got a nice gift out of it?

Your boyfriend sounds lovely, kind, thoughtful and generous. You don't sound particularly well matched tbh.

That.

Some people aren't good at presents, that's life. Do we only care for people who buy interesting gifts?

Don't be mean, op.

MustardMitt · 08/11/2020 13:30

I do too @FourTeaFallOut and @Sparklfairy. Can only assume these thoughts are exclusively shared with MN or the BF would have been long gone before now.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 08/11/2020 13:33

Will we be locked down at Christmas?

I feel that the current lock down, which expires on December 2nd, is to minimise the number of Covid patients so that the 'brakes' can be taken off to allow a reasonably normal Christmas before we are locked down again in January.

Or have I completely missed the point of your thread?

CovidClara · 08/11/2020 13:34

Why don't you stay at home and post pictures of your present stash on instagram?

Are you 12? FFS, you don't give to receive.

You could do something great, why not ask people to donate to a food bank instead of giving you any gifts this year? Why don't you spend Christmas Day volunteering with those whose lot in life isn't quite as precious and rosy as yours?

Ohdoleavemealone · 08/11/2020 13:34

I think you focused on th wrong thing here.

AIBU not to want to drive 4 hours on xmas day? - no
AIBU not to avisit someone because they don't give good presents. - yes

For what it is worth I would be annoyed by the gift thing but not enough to let someone spend xmas entirely alone.

Spied · 08/11/2020 13:34

Can I ask where your family are in all this?

Your bf sounds lovely, caring and in the real spirit of Christmas.

Alonelonelyloner · 08/11/2020 13:34

I remember too!
Goodness
Grim

Let your BF do as he sees fit. Stay home on Christmas Day and do what you want, alone, with a massive pile of gifts all to yourself.

You do know you sound awful and mean OP?

Bluejewel · 08/11/2020 13:35

Another poster mentioned posting presents in advance and a FaceTime call on the day - or can not the single son form a bubble and stay with his parents .. or you .

Ignoring how selfish you sound to suggest practical solutions !

MintyMabel · 08/11/2020 13:35

he is seemingly not bothered that I am hurt and angry on his behalf

Oh, you’re one of those people. Going around being (or pretending to be) all hurt and angry because of something that has nothing to do with you.

If he isn’t upset, you’ve no need to be angry about it. If you don’t want to visit his family just tell him that. But it does all seem to be about what you get out of it rather than doing something because it helps your OH.

mam0918 · 08/11/2020 13:36

@ChristmasPoster

My boyfriend has proposed that for Christmas because of lock down his younger brother will be by himself and that we should visit him on Christmas day to give him his presents. I didn’t say anything but the more I think about it the more I am annoyed by the idea.

To give a bit of background and context: My boyfriends brother does not have a good track record when it comes to giving us presents - we often buy him expensive things and he gives us nothing back, or something very generic and inexpensive in return (basically something that hasn’t had any thought put into it whatsoever, i.e. not something homemade or had a lot of thought put into it.) I have given up trying to talk to my boyfriend about it as he is seemingly not bothered that I am hurt and angry on his behalf that he buys his brother all these things and doesn’t get any acknowledgement for it but it’s ultimately his decision if he wants to get treated like this. Personally I think one year we should just not buy him anything and watch the look on his face when he realises he hasn’t got anything from us.

My AIBU is that as Christmas is going to be different this year I thought because of lock down we would be spending the day alone with each other. But now he has mentioned the idea of visiting his family on Christmas morning, including his brother. But I don’t see the point of this at all. All we will be doing is driving from place to place, shouting to each other from a socially acceptable distance and exchanging presents by leaving them in a safe spot - and in the brothers case there will either not be a present to pick up, or something that wasn’t worth the journey. I find Christmas very stressful at the best of times and was looking forward to this year being laid back and relaxed and now I feel like it’s been ruined and a problem before it’s even happened. This would also be taking place in the morning which means getting up early. I just wonder why we should be the ones running around and sacrificing our own morning for the sake of his brother? He wouldn’t do the same for us, he would just see us when he sees us which is exactly what I agree with and wonder why my boyfriend won’t have the same attitude when it comes to dealing with him. His parents alive close so that’s not a grumble but his brothers is a two hour drive away and I won’t want to disrupt our plans and have to get dressed and ready just to drive all the way there and give him all of his presents and stand there while we get nothing back and then say goodbye and drive all the way back when we could instead spend the morning in PJs and just have a relaxing morning together and then just see him on Boxing Day or the days after that. AIBU in thinking that this does not need to take place on Christmas morning and a Skype call would be sufficient?

Honestly hes probably not bothered if you buy gifts or not for him. Me an DH both have brothers and neither is that bothered about gifts at all.

One will buy gifts for our kids but he sends his mam or girlfriend to pick something and just pays (regardless of price, hes not cheap but doesnt do it himself) and he doesnt buy for us but expects nothing back.

We dont expect gifts from him either, I wouldnt be mad if he didnt give anything I know as an unwed childfree 40 year old man 'babies' arent his thing and a blank spot in his knowledge lol.

The others dont buy gifts at all, I dont think the thought crosses their mind really and I dont think they 'expect' a gift either.

If they didnt get one they wouldnt be mad or upset but their lack of gift giving doesnt matter because they all care in different ways and are part of our lives and help us out with things etc...

Its not 'tit for tat', they ALL help us anytime we need anything so if we had to pay people to help the way they helpped us over the year (such as hiring a decorater to hang our wallpaper or hire a haulage firm to help is move) then it would add up to far, far, far more than the cost of a random gift they didnt get us.

CoRhona · 08/11/2020 13:37

YAB completely U

Thank goodness he has a decent brother.

RoseTintedAtuin · 08/11/2020 13:37

Wanting to see family at Christmas is in no way unreasonable regardless of whether this is distanced. It shows he cares about his family. A 4 hour round trip in my opinion is unreasonable on Christmas Day. The present issue is a non-issue. I don’t understand why you would be hurt on his behalf if it doesn’t bother him. Spending the whole day locked in in pj’s just sounds like an average Sunday so not surprised he wants to do something different on Christmas Day. If you don’t want to go, then don’t. Completely up to you and is always best to be honest as it may be an issue further down the line if not brought up now.

tara66 · 08/11/2020 13:38

Really I don't think many people would do this on Xmas day - present(s) or no present(s). You will have to prepare and cook the dinner anyway. Let the brother go to his parents. Why has he no where to go for the day? Is he staying at his home just for your BF's arrangement?

Standrewsschool · 08/11/2020 13:38

I wouldn’t want to spend all that time travelling on Christmas Day either. Can you see him on Christmas Eve or Boxing Day? Can he come and stay with you. Or come to you for Christmas lunch? Or meet halfway?

TheNewSchmoo · 08/11/2020 13:38

This is all rather familiar. Have you posted about you boyfriend and his brother before?

mnahmnah · 08/11/2020 13:40

So it’s only worth visiting someone at Christmas if they get you a decent present?!

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