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He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/11/2020 20:37

They’ve only been and gone and done it.
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He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
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Wherrsmaclickypen · 07/11/2020 23:26

Sorry I realise that reply is terribly wanky.
I should have stopped at "Good post". 😳

MagicoRomantico · 07/11/2020 23:27

It's wonderful listening to the media get in little digs at Trump Grin.

Gingernaut · 07/11/2020 23:27

Anyone saw the Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference?

Rudolph Giuliani seems to have lost a few marbles.

twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1325132671140327427

twitter.com/yoda/status/1325132867580649472

CaraDuneRedux · 07/11/2020 23:28

Just a heads up: very angry Twitter people are threatening to leave America due to "rigged election" and move "to England."

Grin They have no idea what evil bastard depths lurk in the home office! Normally I rage against this (my dad is currently trying to help a family friend get leave to remain, and fuck me it's a nightmare), but in this case: Rottweilers of the Home Office, do your worst!

Zixxy · 07/11/2020 23:30

Superspreaders here for sure and does anyone care?

We are locked down.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/11/2020 23:30

So far I've seen threats from Trumpers that they're moving to Canada, Mexico, and now 'England'. Pretty rich from the "America, love it or leave it" brigade.

I do wonder if Canada is going to see a bump in hits on their immigration website like there was four years ago.

SabrinaThwaite · 07/11/2020 23:31

@Nancydrawn

Just a heads up: very angry Twitter people are threatening to leave America due to "rigged election" and move "to England."

Bon chance.

Bot-tastic.

Have they been an American citizen for 54 years or are they just worried about their kids?

You can point them at Our Glorious Leader to demonstrate that England where they need to be.

He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
Zixxy · 07/11/2020 23:31

scroll on a bit to see it.

LongHotSummerJustPassedMeBy · 07/11/2020 23:33

I saw a Twitter post that said ‘I’m packing up and moving to Alaska, far away from America’.

Biden will also be president of Alaska...

Zixxy · 07/11/2020 23:35

At last I think.... I got the link right.

I can understand the euphoria, but come on, there is a pandemic going on aswell. But hey ho.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/11/2020 23:36

@LongHotSummerJustPassedMeBy

I saw a Twitter post that said ‘I’m packing up and moving to Alaska, far away from America’.

Biden will also be president of Alaska...

I can't remember the source, but in a discussion about moving to foreign countries if Biden won, one of the most popular places was "Hawaii".
PerkingFaintly · 07/11/2020 23:37

AngelicaElizaAndPeggy I think in some ways Prof Sarah Pedersen at Robert Gordon University, Aberdeen, may be on this. She's already written a paper about us and our reporting of the Aberdeenshire business owner.Grin

Zixxy · 07/11/2020 23:38

Ignore the first couple of minutes, the footage of the crowds is just a moment away.

Zixxy · 07/11/2020 23:41

Maybe we will morph into an electorate that engages with an educated, kind, empathetic, educated person who looks after us all equally.

Hi Johnson, take note right now. The times they are a changing now.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/11/2020 23:43

Zixxy We all know that the celebrations that are happening are not the best of ideas in these times.

What's your point? That the celebrations somehow invalidate Biden's win and/or his supporters?

Actually, never mind what your point is. I'm so happy to see the back of that orange bawbag that I'm not going to allow anyone to kill my buzz today.

LongHotSummerJustPassedMeBy · 07/11/2020 23:44

AcrossthePond Ah, Hawaii, where Biden won 63.7 of the vote Grin

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2020 23:46

@Wherrsmaclickypen

RedToothBrush thank you for such a considered reply. I wholly recognise this description. I am a 'middle class intellectual liberal' who is literally terrified of bible bashing, faith based anti-abortionist reactionaries and what they would wish for the world, but I do understand and respect the defending of their values. I also understand why 'socialism' is such a dirty word in the US, despite the poverty gap, all part of the American Dream. I like to think however that the common denominator is decency. It can be hard to articulate what decency looks like, but you can see it in a persons face, as well as their actions, and decency crosses the divide of all moderate views. For the rest of the world it is enough that decency has been restored today. It is the American people who now have to find their own way to a consensus and I hope and believe that decent Republicans will take up that challenge.
I think part of the problem is a lack of self awareness and how we sound to people who are different to us. When you only speak to and value people with views like you, you lose a skill. The ability to understand and empathise with others. The trap thats been fallen into is that tolerance is somehow a one way system and only relevant to certain groups and for certain views.

People are comfortable with different paces of change and thats not being recognised either.

Those on the 'progressive' side (and tbh I find some of these views far less forward thinking than they profess to be) are pushing hard for fast change and thats always going to led to resistance because whilst you do have to push for change you also have to conscious of how you do so especially how quickly you do it.

You have to bring people with you and reassure them that the change is ok and is going to improve their world rather than shatter it into a thousand pieces at break neck speed. The need for patience in an instant world of social media and 24 hour news is completely forgotten. You have to persuade the majority of people that change is worthwhile and of benefit to them too rather than force them into it against their will, in an authoritarian manner.

Liberalism is slow and rather boring and isn't about radical change because it very nature is about recognising this type of obstacle and how you can tackle them by building consensus through trust. Its founded on good communication and mutual respect between different groups.

I think the instant world has eroded the value of this and altered people's expectations and demands.

With a long term erosion of trust in politics, journalism and authority in general you do tend to get this problem of social fracturing too. It allows people to exploit this and the fractures in society by producing alternative explainations or simple easy quick 'solutions' that seem to make sense on the surface. They are much more attractive to make to complex, convoluted debates about ethics, grey areas, unintended consequences and inconvient truths that render what initally seemed a good idea a really rather shit one.

Trump is the ultimate product of a breakdown in communication and trust and a blame culture that discourages taking responsibility and ownership of problems and mistakes.

FrankieStein402 · 07/11/2020 23:48

I think in Europe its hard for us to conceive of anyone who has never been to the nearest city, never mind hasn't got a passport

Which contributes to the north/south divide in the uk today - a significant proportion of the over 50's in my home town in East Lancashire have never been outside a bus ride to the nearest major towns on market days. When I left for university in the 70s i was very much the exception.

Peridot2020 · 07/11/2020 23:49

I dunno, we were talking about this last night in our household. (We might have been on the happy juice.)

How about if everyone liberal-and/or-green-thinking were to move to the US, and work alongside the liberals there to take on responsible stewardship of their not-inconsiderable natural resources, and meanwhile every Numpty Trumpty were to be moved to certain parts of England (on the proviso that they'd give up their guns on arrival). Then we could just wall them in and leave them to it. (Most of Scotland, Wales, Ireland, and parts of the North would be exempt. Not sure what we'd do about the likes of Harrogate, Ripon, Dumfries & Galloway, and Aberdeen though....)

I can't see it happening though, that threat. Most Americans I know would pass out at the price of "gassoleen" here, never mind the other stuff we have to put up with.

Peridot2020 · 07/11/2020 23:51

Oh, and Blyth Valley. Do not think those of us from the north will ever forget your role in December, Blyth Valley and your ilk. Enjoying Lockdown Part Two?!

Zixxy · 07/11/2020 23:51

@AcrossthePond55

Zixxy We all know that the celebrations that are happening are not the best of ideas in these times.

What's your point? That the celebrations somehow invalidate Biden's win and/or his supporters?

Actually, never mind what your point is. I'm so happy to see the back of that orange bawbag that I'm not going to allow anyone to kill my buzz today.

Not at all, delighted to see the celebrations, about time too for the US to let their hair down. Just wondered about the social distancing and all that.

The rest of the world is also breathing out now too. Hopefully four years of a good polite man will bring things together. Will be tough though I think with the rabid Republicans on his heels.

Strange that there has been no footage of the red States response. Just saying. But not surprising either.

Nancydrawn · 07/11/2020 23:53

To continue to be facetious, I assume they will be thrilled to hear about the policies surrounding universal healthcare, net zero admissions, and gun control in their new home of choice.

(I know there is serious work to be done in considering context and perspective, but for today: carnival.)

PerkingFaintly · 07/11/2020 23:55

Following the "I won the election, by a lot"...

One of my tab headings now declares: "Biden wins | Mumsnet."

I think that's official.Grin

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2020 23:55

For those asking about US UK relations...

A quote from tomorrow's Times.

He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
Lweji · 08/11/2020 00:00

At least most people celebrating are wearing masks.

Unlike the Trump supporters I've seen in the news, complaining about the rigged election.