He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)

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They’ve only been and gone and done it.
Previous thread:
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This is more reassuring

Simon Atkinson @simonatkinson
NEW @IpsosUS: 79% of US adults say Biden won the election; 13% say it’s not yet decided; 3% say Trump won*

*cavet: Trumps hardcore support don't do polls

Yes Rousette, that was my first thought too - what must he have over them to have them still so afraid?

I get why his children are afraid of him, but these grown men who are supposed to be brave and powerful? All I can assume if he has information which will lead to them losing their power. And given what some politicians have been exposed as without losing power, it must be pretty big for some of these people.

Completely baseless of course, but I definitely suspect Trump has compromising material to hold over many of the top Republicans. He was good friends with Epstein wasn't he...?

I’m not sure you need to posit compromising material. I think the republicans are scared of Trump’s popularity with the most energised (read: nutty) sections of the base. If they are seen to contradict him they worry that his supporters will turn on them. It’s the supporters they’re worried about, their own electoral base, not him personally.

Right back to 2016 I was never convinced that Trump's main goal was to be elected president, I assumed he was seeking to create a mass movement outside of the electoral system that he would be able to steer in order to exercise unaccountable power.

www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/11/10/21559458/dean-browning-dan-purdy-byl-holte-patti-labelle-twitter-gay-black-man

'Much like the objectively hilarious Four Seasons Total Landscaping ordeal, the idea that a small-time Republican politician is posing as a gay Black man on Twitter — who may also be Patti LaBelle’s actual son — is too juicy to ignore.'

Can one of the informed regulars start a new thread soon please.
I'm suggesting
"Biden our time until Trump concedes" as a title

Hannity is turning into a Trump MiniMe.
He's got very puffy in the face and decidedly orange in complexion.

We’ll probably need this today so I’m putting it here for later.

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Melania's refused to meet Jill Biden

I suspect Dr Biden can cope with that one.

Sorry Roussette didn’t see your post. I’m sure the title will be just as appropriate for #114 (sadly)

Another thread almost filled folks!

I can't read behind paywall. Has Washington Post updated their claim that whistleblower has retracted his statement? (as it has been asserted that he has retracted his retraction.)

Here's the retraction BruceAndNosh but I don't know about any retraction of the retraction*:

www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/11/postal-worker-and-vote-whistleblower-recants-allegations

• deretraction?

I was curious so went looking and the denial of the retraction is coming from the postal worker himself:

[quote nauticant]I was curious so went looking and the denial of the retraction is coming from the postal worker himself:

[/quote] He's probably been promised Vice President status if Trump gets results overturned. He'll be as qualified as the 'family' in their roles.

Whistleblower most probably realised that his $130 Go fund me payout was conditional on him siding with GOP.

@nauticant

Right back to 2016 I was never convinced that Trump's main goal was to be elected president, I assumed he was seeking to create a mass movement outside of the electoral system that he would be able to steer in order to exercise unaccountable power.

Makes sense and certainly seems to fit with what's going on now!

Sorry Bruce just saw it was your thread title idea.

I've watched that brief clip of the postal worker, Richard Hopkins, denying the retraction. He doesn't clarify anything, accuses the Washington Post of being wrong and says "You'll find out tomorrow."

Now normally I would give anyone in his apparent position a great deal of rope and try to at least entertain the possibility they were telling the truth. But Project Veritas is involved.

In fact, now that I've dug a little deeper, Project Veritas supposedly has a covert recording made by the Hopkins of the USPS investigators.

So there's an extremely high chance the whole thing is either another Project Veritas fiction from the start, or that it intersects with reality in a few places and Project Veritas has edited a video to deceive, as it is wont to do.

For those who aren't familiar with this organisation, PV puts an extraordinary amount of effort into creating false stories and trying to flog them to "liberal media" and then turning round and saying "Gasp! You bunch of liars printed a false story. Fake news mainstream media!"

The construction of its fake story on Roy Moore was mindblowing. I watched the documentary, about the how the WaPo's fact-checking caught out the person PV was employing to pose as Moore's victim.

Project Veritas: how fake news prize went to rightwing group beloved by Trump
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/project-veritas-how-fake-news-prize-went-to-rightwing-group-beloved-by-trump

Deliberately misleading videos seem to be a Project Veritas stock in trade.

The Jon Voight video on Twitter is

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Shall we close this out......

With the joyful news that.....