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He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/11/2020 20:37

They’ve only been and gone and done it.
Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4072116--Trump-thread-No-111-and-the-count-goes-on?pg=10

He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
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Anon778833 · 10/11/2020 13:11

Her friends allegedly say she's counting down the hours.

nauticant · 10/11/2020 13:11

Yes to gwenneh and ListeningQuietly, after putting up the picture I noticed that at the end of the page is "Continue Voting next side". That is ridiculously complicated, especially when you consider the demographics of the US.

JamieLeeCurtains · 10/11/2020 13:16

Fun fact: Melania Trump's signature is freakishly similar to Donald's.

Scroll down for Melania's signature

Donald Trump's

chomalungma · 10/11/2020 13:19

For US readers

He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
Blueberries0112 · 10/11/2020 13:29

I like how they put their logo on the side. Sometimes I see names on ballots and I have no idea what party they are in. If I have not researched it, I would be voting whoever has the prettiest name . But I shouldn't be voting if I have not researched it.

This is an example ballot I have to do although this is not my state

He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 10/11/2020 13:42

[quote SugarbabyMilly]@Jaichangecentfoisdenom yeah, she apparently renegotiated her prenup before moving into the White House.[/quote]
I'm presuming she knows where so many bodies are buried, he'll have to pay her price.

PerkingFaintly · 10/11/2020 13:45

Oh. I didn't realise today was GingerIvy's birthday.Sad

Wine with you, dear friends: to those who didn't make it.

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2020 13:48

Just how much does the Trump reelection campaign owe?

CBS is reporting that 60% of the money raised for fighting the 'election fraud' is actually going to pay off some of the debt for the election campaign.

Despite having raised over $1 billion since 2017 Trump's camp pissed it away.

In January, Trump spent $10 million on a Super Bowl ad when he didn’t even have a Democratic challenger.

The campaign sunk $1.6 million on TV ads in Washington, D.C — he got 4% of the vote in 2016

Trump charged his own campaign to stay at his properties to the tune of more than $7.4 million since 2017.

Money also went toward legal fees ($38.7 million), merchandise ($35.2 million), and relocating the Republican National Convention after a fight with North Carolina’s governor over coronavirus safety measures.

Nearly $100,000 was spent on copies of Donald Trump Jr.’s book to help it get to the top of the New York Times bestsellers list.

The campaign itself also spent more than $1 million on companies that provide chartered plane services in September, even though Mr. Trump travels exclusively on Air Force One.

When Mr. Trump himself travels on Air Force One for political travel, the campaign must reimburse taxpayers for its use. As of the end of September, the single largest debt that Mr. Trump’s campaign owed was to the Treasury Department: $670,000.

Meanwhile, $310 million can’t be accounted for because it went through limited liability firms.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10/trump-campaign-cash-woes

The campaign also owes lots of states directly

www.newsweek.com/trump-2020-campaign-rally-debt-1443928?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
Trump Campaign Has Almost $1 Million In Unpaid Public Safety Costs

President Donald Trump has long touted his affection for the nation's police forces and has often referred to himself as the "law and order president," but his campaign has racked up nearly $1 million in unpaid public-safety costs for his rallies, with some debts going all the way back to 2016.

Invoices from ten cities — including El Paso, Texas; Mesa, Arizona; Erie, Pennsylvania; and Green Bay, Wisconsin — show that the president and his campaign still owe local police and fire departments large sums of money for providing him with protection during his various rallies over the last three years.

Not all cities entered into formal agreements with the president and some deployed their own forces as necessary, according to an investigation by the Center for Public Integrity.

And

Overall, cities are asking for at least $841,219 from the president. But some say if there was no legal agreement with these cities, his campaign is not obligated to pay them. In some cases, the Secret Service did request these services.

So the state has paid / will pay a lot of his campaign costs. He's unlikely to pay up on a lot of that whilst hes still in office and no one will persue him or the Republican party for that debt whilst he's president.

It strikes me that if the Republican Party concede defeat all these debts start being called in and can be pursued legally. And this just gets added to Trumps other debts.

It almost sounds as if the Party is flat broke. I wonder to what extent this is influencing decisions....

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2020 13:52

Also because of his poor record of paying apparently Wisconsin has asked for the costs of a recount upfront...

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 10/11/2020 13:57

I'm liking the cut of Wisconsin's jib!

PatriciaHolm · 10/11/2020 13:58

Rumour has it that's why the actual Four Seasons in Philly declined the press briefing - they knew they wouldn't get paid!

Lweji · 10/11/2020 13:58

@RedToothBrush

Also because of his poor record of paying apparently Wisconsin has asked for the costs of a recount upfront...
I'm convinced that was the real problem with the Four Seasons. Wink
Lweji · 10/11/2020 13:59

PatriciaHolm
Snap. Grin

lionheart · 10/11/2020 14:12

Another complex form.

He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
terrywynne · 10/11/2020 14:14

@chomalungma

For US readers
Tbf our elections can be a bit more complicated. I voted in one election just after moving here (maybe county council not sure) and hadn't realised it was also parish council elections. Got present with an additional huge fold out paper of about 20 names from which I had to choose 8 or something. I hadn't even heard of most of them! Had no idea what any of them stood for on any topic of local interest.

Our general election poll cards are nice and simple though! As is the method of turning up, going to the right desk for your street and giving your name to be allowed to vote...

Mypathtriedtokillme · 10/11/2020 14:17

I recently voted via mail for NZ.
NZ election ballot has 2 ticks one for the overall party and one for the person who I wanted to represent my local electorate (not the same party).
Plus 2 referendums.

NZ uses the MMP (Mixed member proportional) system so they often have to work together like adults and all parties who have members voted in have representation.
It’s not perfect but a lot better than when it was 1st past the post.

Dh’s Aus voting form is much less user friendly.

gwenneh · 10/11/2020 14:22

Redistricting was part of the referenda on the back of the state ballot this year and the question was worded so confusingly I'm not sure anyone knew what they were voting for or against.

Question 1, legalising marijuana, got FAR more attention!

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2020 14:27

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/10/politics/rnc-layoffs-trump-biden/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
Republican National Committee staff blindsided by layoffs

Departments within the RNC were instructed Monday to inform staffers who were being laid off, though the scale of the layoffs vary among the departments. Most stemmed from those assigned to the RNC-Trump Victory program, the joint fundraising effort between the RNC and Trump campaign that served as the ground and field program for the Trump campaign.

And

One source told CNN most of these jobs were only intended to last through the election, but the round of layoffs underscores how the Republican apparatus is hardly moving full-steam ahead to challenge the outcome of the results as the President wishes.

In the Florida recount in 2000, the Republican National Committee dedicated large swaths of staff to Palm Beach and Florida's 66 other counties. A similar effort is not being taken in 2020, though some RNC staffers will be sent to Georgia ahead of expected twin Senate runoffs in Georgia.

HoldMyLobster · 10/11/2020 14:31

Our general election poll cards are nice and simple though! As is the method of turning up, going to the right desk for your street and giving your name to be allowed to vote...

That's what I do here in the US too.

HoldMyLobster · 10/11/2020 14:32

@gwenneh

Redistricting was part of the referenda on the back of the state ballot this year and the question was worded so confusingly I'm not sure anyone knew what they were voting for or against.

Question 1, legalising marijuana, got FAR more attention!

Yes, some of the referendum questions are so complicated.

To the extent that there are all these 'Yes on question 4' and 'No on question 1' signs out there trying to just brainwash you as to the correct way to vote. I find that very weird.

gwenneh · 10/11/2020 14:34

I'm so very, very glad the signs have been removed from all but a few holdouts. I know they'll all pop up again in four years but for now the landscape is vastly improved!

And yes, the poll process for in-person voting in the US is roughly the same is in the UK, at least for me.

PatriciaHolm · 10/11/2020 14:45

On the RNC - apparently
Donald Trump Junior and Kimberly Guilfoyle are making moves to expand their influence at the RNC, with sources saying they may seek to take over the party structure themselves.

The suggestion being they are unhappy with the way the current chair operated (as in, they didn't win...)

Apileofballyhoo · 10/11/2020 15:00

That CNN report has cheered me up a bit, Red. Thank you.

Picture of sample Irish general election ballot for anyone interested. Rank candidates in order of preference.

Sometimes there are two referendums on at the same time. Can't think if any have been on at the same time as a GE.

He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
RedToothBrush · 10/11/2020 15:03

On a reelection bid in 2024 Trump has a problem with all that debt.. .

If he defaults, who is going to give him credit?

As it is he is going to struggle to run another campaign in 'the manner to which he has become accustomed' even with wealthy backers and fund raising. Given so much of his campaign has been funded by the state (and will never be repaid) he cant run a campaign as big / inefficient / burning through money as 2020 again.

It strikes me that launching for 2024 is a meal ticket for a man about to go bankrupt and have his debts called in. Its a much needed source of income when the banks and other businesses won't touch him with a bargepole because of his credit history.

Not only that but if Patricia's story about the RNC is true about him and Eric's girlfriend it makes sense. He needs to 'take over' the RNC now to do that as a way to avoid the issue of having to be selected in a couple of years time through the primaries (a costly feat in itself). If he takes over the RNC he can automatically milk the party of funds for his lifestyle when the debts get called in.

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