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He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/11/2020 20:37

They’ve only been and gone and done it.
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He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
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StatisticallyChallenged · 10/11/2020 08:56

Surely calling in to question the integrity of Georgia isn't very bright either. The only people who believe you are the crazier end of the Republicans, who might well just decide not to bother their arses voting if the system is "corrupt". On the flip side, there has been a massive push to get (mostly black) people out and voting in places like Atlanta who will probably be feeling far more motivated having seen the state go for Biden.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 10/11/2020 08:57

From the Washington Post report:

Behind the scenes, Trump advisers and allies are increasingly resigned to a Biden victory, according to people familiar with internal discussions, who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to share private conversations.


But few so far are actively discouraging the president or his campaign from pursuing all legal paths to contest the results. Only a smattering of Republican senators have acknowledged Biden’s victory, and there has been little coaxing on the part of senior GOP lawmakers to help Trump come to terms with his loss. Some said there is value in ensuring the integrity of this year’s results, while others described a chaotic and scattershot operation that they hoped would eventually push Trump to cooperate in a peaceful transfer of power.


“What is the downside for humoring him for this little bit of time? No one seriously thinks the results will change,” said one senior Republican official. “He went golfing this weekend. It’s not like he’s plotting how to prevent Joe Biden from taking power on Jan. 20. He’s tweeting about filing some lawsuits, those lawsuits will fail, then he’ll tweet some more about how the election was stolen, and then he’ll leave.”

Still, Trump’s rhetoric has inflamed some of his supporters around the country, who have gathered in small “Stop the Steal” protests and declared that they do not have faith in the results.


As a result, two starkly different tones prevailed throughout the day. Inside the White House, aides described a deflated president aware of the difficulty of reversing the outcome and even declaring plans to run again in 2024. But publicly, Trump fired off tweet after combative tweet asserting without evidence that results in Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Nevada had been illegally rigged against him. And his campaign announced at least one new federal lawsuit, in Pennsylvania, seeking to block state officials from certifying the results.

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RedToothBrush · 10/11/2020 08:58

It’s all getting a bit “squeaky bum time” isn’t it. What is it they say: “repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.”

'They' ? Let's spell out exactly who 'they' are/was who pushed this most into public consciousness.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels

I'm not going pussy foot around Godwin's Law on that particular quote.

Lweji · 10/11/2020 09:00

I watched Mrs McCain last night, as she refused to comment on long term family friend ("he's family") Sen. Graham. I love him.

Silence speaks very loudly in this case.

CaveMum · 10/11/2020 09:10

@RedToothBrush thanks for expanding the quote in full. I didn’t mean to sound like I was being flippant, just couldn’t remember exactly who said it and the exact words - the dangers of posting while on the school run!

BruceAndNosh · 10/11/2020 09:13

Trump is also going after the inaccurate pre election polls, insisting that predicting Biden win amounts to Trump voter suppression. Ie Biden's got such a lead there is no point in me voting for Trump.
Surely it also works the same way....Biden's got such a comfortable lead, he doesn't need me to wait in line for 4 hours

BruceAndNosh · 10/11/2020 09:22

SCOTUS meeting today about ACA act...

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/11/2020 09:35

Surely by that logic him shouting "we're gonna win" is also voter suppression?

Zug2 · 10/11/2020 09:37

Thank you for your thoughts on Fauci, it makes sense that he remains bipartisan, hopefully we will see more of him when Trump is gone.

Lweji · 10/11/2020 09:38

Ahem, didn't polls predict Hillary would win 4 years ago?

Anyway...

Here's Stephen Colbert, now with more head space and some champagne.

BruceAndNosh · 10/11/2020 09:43

@StatisticallyChallenged

Surely by that logic him shouting "we're gonna win" is also voter suppression?
Stop using logic. Logic is FAKE NEWS
terrywynne · 10/11/2020 09:44

Of course on the subject of lies v truth there is the very apt line by the late great Terry Pratchett:

A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on.

Actually, the book that is from The Truth is pretty relevant to the current situation. Addresses different types of news reporting and the difference between the public interest, human interest, and what the public are interested in...

Yoffel · 10/11/2020 10:13

Do I guess Trump has to pursue the line of election fraud given that the margins in every stare are too wide for a recount to make any difference.

Assuming this will end up in Supreme Court, isn’t that made up of judges appointed by Trump so they’ll just vote his way???

CaveMum · 10/11/2020 10:22

Sums it up

He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
StatisticallyChallenged · 10/11/2020 10:27

At the moment they don't seem to have raised any issues which would get anywhere close to Scotus. But even if they did, whilst they can be partisan on some issues in don't think they would rule his way "just because" - they have lifetime appointments so no need to keep him happy

CaveMum · 10/11/2020 10:50

According to the BBC an “Amicus Brief” has been lodged at the SCOTUS to back Trump’s case in Pennsylvania. The 10 state attorney’s that signed it are all from Republican controller states.

I don’t exactly know what this means but Google tells me:

“Amicus Curiae. Literally, friend of the court. A person with strong interest in or views on the subject matter of an action, but not a party to the action, may petition the court for permission to file a brief, ostensibly on behalf of a party but actually to suggest a rationale consistent with its own views.”

That suggests it holds no weight at the moment, but could be important shoukd the case get as far as SCOTUS.

QuestionableDanceMoves · 10/11/2020 10:55

Doesn’t m that Washington post report show the people around Trump are being somewhat presumptive? That there’s no harm in indulging his tantrum over the result, let it play out, appease him, there will be no consequences. All the while ignoring the fact his hoards of supporters believe every word he says thus appeasing trump is actually undermining democracy and the sanctity of the vote going forward- it has potential to be incredibly damaging all because no one has the balls to tell him to stop and accept the truth

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/11/2020 11:11

I do wonder if this continues whether you'll start seeing the sort of issues we have here with Scotland (and to an extent Wales/Cornwall/The North - not even getting started on NI!) where some states start to aggitate for independence. I know there's occasional rumblings but nothing serious but it's not actually taken that long for support for Scottish independence to go from being relatively low to around 50/50. There's already a few parties kicking around in California...

Apileofballyhoo · 10/11/2020 11:16

Suggesting on MSNBC that Mitch McConnell is doing his Trump within his rights routine to fire up the base in Georgia in order to hang on to power in the Senate.

ListeningQuietly · 10/11/2020 11:16

If the Presidential election was fraudulent and rigged

then so were the Senate
so were Congress
so were the Governors
so were the State legislatures
so were the town mayors
so were the ballot initiatives
because they are ALL ON THE SAME PIECE OF PAPER

But its funny that only part of the page is wrong when the rest of the page is right Hmm

BruceAndNosh · 10/11/2020 11:20

All cases have to proceed (and win) at State level before they can proceed to SCOTUS. Trump seems to think he can so straight there
Yes, Trump's legal team are on record as saying they expect SCOTUS - especially Barratt to support him. But any judgement has to have judicial reasoning behind it. And "he gave me this job" is not a valid legal argument

BruceAndNosh · 10/11/2020 11:21

Yes, certain factions are concentrating on Georgia despite the margin as they are more interested in the coming Senate run off there

JamieLeeCurtains · 10/11/2020 11:21

@Apileofballyhoo

Suggesting on MSNBC that Mitch McConnell is doing his Trump within his rights routine to fire up the base in Georgia in order to hang on to power in the Senate.
As pp have said, it could have the opposite effect though. Republican voters might feel disillusioned and not bother voting in January. Democrats on the other hand know it's absolutely crucial to vote and that they can make the difference.

Georgia Democrats will have Biden and Harris campaigning for them. The Georgia Republicans will have Trump wildly tweeting about dead democracy and rigged voting systems.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/11/2020 11:25

@ListeningQuietly

If the Presidential election was fraudulent and rigged

then so were the Senate
so were Congress
so were the Governors
so were the State legislatures
so were the town mayors
so were the ballot initiatives
because they are ALL ON THE SAME PIECE OF PAPER

But its funny that only part of the page is wrong when the rest of the page is right Hmm

Ach stop with your logic Grin

Just like the Dems could rig the presidential election, but not the senate.

ListeningQuietly · 10/11/2020 11:28

Statistically
Most Brits would WEEP if they had to battle their way through a US Ballot form.
And its why I'm very chilled that all of the cases will be thrown out LONG before they reach a federal court.