He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)

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They’ve only been and gone and done it.
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😂😂 BU to think Biden is going to deliver

I honestly think this is a 'cash grab' for Trump. There has never been a recount that has affected a vote, and he will know this.

He wants donations.

I think he'll say he will run in 2024 the day after inauguration, so he can con money from donors and hold rallies. Already all the emails have at the bottom '60% of your donation will go towards campaign debts' I imagine the 40% will go to legal fees

People are complaining they are receiving 75 emails in a 24 hour period and there is no way to unsubscribe.

This article was written in June 2020 but it sets out what happens if Trump refuses to leave the White House. How it all works. What rights he has and what he hasn't.

slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-election-refusal-leave.html

It all happens at the dot of noon on 20 Jan 2021. I was urging time to move on until election day, now it looks like we need 20 Jan.

Here's a taster of it... and there's more!
On the dot of noon, the nuclear codes, which currently allow Trump to order and authenticate a nuclear attack, expire. The officer who has been following him around everywhere with the “football”—which, contrary to popular belief, is not a button or a palm print but rather a book filled with various launch codes—leaves. If Trump and whatever lackeys stay with him prevent the officer from leaving, another officer, holding a backup football, would join Biden at the inauguration ceremony.

By the same token, the entire U.S. military establishment will pivot away from ex-President Trump and salute President Biden. The principle of civilian control is hammered into American officers from the time they’re cadets—and the 20th Amendment of the Constitution states, “The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January”—no ifs, ands, or buts.

If Trump orders the military to do anything, they will refuse his order. If any officers obey his order—say, to circle the White House to keep him in power—they would certainly be tried and convicted on charges of mutiny and sedition, and they would know this before taking the leap.

Meanwhile, the Secret Service will abandon Trump, as they do every president whose term is up, except for a small detail assigned to protect him and his family for the rest of their lives.

Overseas, foreign leaders will cut off relations with the U.S. ambassadors in their capitals and await instructions from Biden or his acting secretary of state.

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

Is it wrong to wish Al Gore hadn't done the decent thing and given in gracefully on the Florida hanging chads result?

Wasn't Al Gore the one that went all the way to the Supreme Court (and is the example given of a case when the SC has decided the election)? Hardly giving up - it went on until December - he just didn't have the chance to put out unhinged Tweets the whole time so it looks more graceful.

To be fair to Al Gore, wasn't the result in that one genuinely unclear - I seem to recall the margin was eventually about 500 votes in one state where anomalies and how to deal with funky ballots made a difference.

This is a very different situation

Yes, it was, @StatisticallyChallenged - and Bush himself also mounted a legal challenge to the result in Florida. So very different, I agree, I was just musing at how the USA might have been in a very different place had Gore not conceded that election in the end.

Anyone know why Dr. Tony Fauci is not on the Biden Covid task team ?

I so hope we see more of him and his credibility and respect are reinstated.

lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-campaign-files-federal-lawsuit-seeking-to-block-pennsylvania-from-certifying-election-results/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Trump Campaign Files Federal Lawsuit Seeking to Block Pennsylvania from Certifying Election Results

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, a Democrat, and seven Keystone State county boards of elections are listed as defendants. These boards come from Allegheny, Centre, Chester, Delaware, Montgomery, Northampton, and Philadelphia counties.

And

Variations of the word “fraud” appear in the lawsuit 33 times, mostly in the context of rare prosecutions related to other elections. The only suspected instances of voter fraud cited in the complaint occurred in two Keystone State counties that voted for Trump: Fayette, where Trump is winning by a 34-point margin, and Luzerne, where his lead is 14 points.

Remember Trump told his supporters to vote twice.

“Fayette County experienced two different issues with their mail-in ballots leading up to Election Day,” the complaint states. “First, an issue caused by Pennsylvania’s SURE software system as to the marking of online applications submitted prior to the June primary election with the ‘permanent mail-in’ status caused some voters to receive duplicate ballots for the general election.”

Neither of those cases relate to the counties at issue in the lawsuit, and the allegations are far from clear.

And

One of the cases cited by the campaign relates to “at least four instances” of complaints by certain voters that they allegedly received ballots filled out for Biden, according to a news article cited by the campaign. Trump trails Biden by more than 45,000 votes in the Keystone State. Fayette County District Attorney Richard Bower is reportedly investigating that quartet of allegations.

The Luzerne County allegations relate to the Department of Justice’s controversial announcement of an investigation into “a small number” of allegedly discarded military ballots. The Justice Department had to revise its statement because they overestimated the number of ballots being investigated that were cast for Trump

So suing 7 different counties on the basis of fraud by Trump supporters in a Trump supporting county that isnt named. Do i read that right?

The case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann, a Barack Obama appointee.

They are going for trying to wreck the electoral college vote and get Trump in via the back door or to undermine the voting system so they can rig it for the next election...

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

CaveMum Fun fact, do you know where the phrase “given the sack” comes from? Following a jousting competition, the loser would be put in a sack and dragged behind his victorious opponents horse!

Can you cite a source for this? I have had a look in the texts I have available, and cannot find any reference anywhere to the idea that defeated jousters were dragged behind the winners' horses.

The phrase was first recorded in France in 1611, as 'On luy a donné son sac', regarding the dismissal of a servant who was given his possessions in a sack to take away with him. The first usage in English that I can find is in 1869, Hotton's Slang Dictionary and refers to a tradesman keeping his tools in a bag or sack, and being handed it to take away with him if he was asked to leave a job, with the same source giving the alternative in the North of England as being "get the bag". The 1811 ^Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue" on the other hand offers "He gave them the bag, i.e., left them." Possibly holding the bag....

Oh, and at one point "The Sack" was punishment by drowning, being put into a weighted sack and thrown into a river or the sea, but that wasn't to do with jousting.

Yes this sounds right. Tradesmen getting booted off site now get told to 'take your tools'. In the west of Scotland its getting given your jotters which I guess is a way of saying take your stuff home.

@RedToothBrush Lock them up now, FGS.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-usa-foreign-havoc-biden-b1719789.html

@Zug2

Anyone know why Dr. Tony Fauci is not on the Biden Covid task team ?

I so hope we see more of him and his credibility and respect are reinstated.

At a guess - isn't he technically still working with Trump (as much as one can when it's Trump?)

In Biden's place I would be conscious that there's over two months to go and that anyone who is seen to be working with Biden will not be allowed within 100 miles of the Trump effort on covid. So even if he did want to include Fauci, I'd suggest he'd wait until January so that he can remain involved in the Trump task force for now.

I wouldn't name Fauci.

Atm he's doing a good job despite Trump. Trump has threatened to sack him but hasn't yet. In part because he knows he needs him.

If Biden named him then Fauci would be politically compromised and it would give more incentive to Trump to sack him (he may yet anyway).

Biden's objective is to do as much as possible to prepare for taking over covid management and to do what he can to mitigate the political damage Trump is doing in the meantime.

The worst thing Biden could do is to jeopardise the position of the one person doing the right thing about covid and seemingly currently above Trump's wrath.

Thinking about McConnell and co being nightmare and continuing to support Trump, are there enough sane Republicans to stop the worst of this in the Senate? I think they currently have a majority of two so it wouldn't take many to keep them at bay. I'm thinking Mitt Romney might, for example. He voted to impeach Trump so he's clearly not a fan.

Not suggesting there's any who would full on turn Dem, but if McConnell were to start rejecting every nomination submitted or similar obstructive behaviour then there might be a few who have enough respect for democracy to not play along

My thoughts exactly @RedToothBrush. Leave Fauci where he can be most useful for now.

Meanwhile, the Secret Service will abandon Trump, as they do every president whose term is up, except for a small detail assigned to protect him and his family for the rest of their lives.

Pity the poor sids that get the permanent Trump detail.

*sods not sids!

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

Yes, it was, *@StatisticallyChallenged* - and Bush himself also mounted a legal challenge to the result in Florida. So very different, I agree, I was just musing at how the USA might have been in a very different place had Gore not conceded that election in the end.

I don't think he had a choice though, did he? The Supreme Court ruled the recounts had to stop. (Though I guess Trump might refuse even then).

Gore retracted his initial concession when he realised how close it was.

Breaking news to Trump: Pennsylvania did it, not Georgia.

I agree, it's a cash cow.

Tbh, I think GOP will want to neutralise Trump after he leaves. Unless they are plagued by inner feuds, as they did in 2016.

They should have rallied behind a candidate rather than squabble between them.

And Democrats with Hillary.

Having said that, even after Obama, a change to a Republican President was almost inevitable. Administrations get tired and power changes can be healthy for a country.
VPs running for election right after 2-term presidents don't seem very successful, even when elected (Bush Snr).

Hillary also suffered from being too tied down to two Administrations.

And Biden just barely made it.

Democrats will have a chance to refresh with Kamala in 2024, I hope.

And Republicans should get a fresh new moderate face.

And just because Darth Tax-evader:

It’s all getting a bit “squeaky bum time” isn’t it. What is it they say: “repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.”

Time for the GOP to put THEIR big boy pants on. Surely they must realise that people will remember who they have behaved - the undecideds and those that chose not to vote for one reason or another.

Democrats will have a chance to refresh with Kamala in 2024, I hope.

Hmmm. I have serious doubt about whether the Democrats have a chance in 2024 for various reasons.

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Trump has threatened to sack him but hasn't yet. In part because he knows he needs him.
Trump can't sack Fauci. He isn't a political appointee under Trump's jurisdiction.
He can (and has) leave him out of the White House.

But I agree that Fauci probably didn't even want to seem partisan at this stage, as he leads a major agency.