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He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/11/2020 20:37

They’ve only been and gone and done it.
Previous thread:
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He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)
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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 09/11/2020 14:29

I've just seen this on Twitter. Don't know if it's of any interest to the US voters on these threads?

The Lincoln Project
@ProjectLincoln
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22m
This is Emily W. Murphy.

She’s a Trump appointee at the GSA who is declining to sign the letter authorizing the Biden transition to begin.

Give her a call and tell her you want Biden treated like every other president-elect.

1-844-472-4111

(There is a photo of the lady which I can't copy and paste, she looks lovely and cheery, I bet she'd like to get lots of calls!)

BruceAndNosh · 09/11/2020 14:36

I have to admit the bot and cut and paste tweets about "Making Trump supporters cry" and "I'm leaving and moving to Alaska" are getting very tedious

nauticant · 09/11/2020 14:37

Do we know whether Emily Murphy has the power to authorise the Biden transition to begin?

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2020 15:01

www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/11/09/man-featured-at-giuliani-press-conference-is-a-sex-offender-1335241
Man featured at Giuliani press conference is a convicted sex offender

The first person Rudy Giuliani, the attorney for President Donald Trump, called up as a witness to baseless allegations of vote counting shenanigans in Philadelphia during a press conference last week is a sex offender who for years has been a perennial candidate in New Jersey.

“It’s such a shame. This is a democracy,” Daryl Brooks, who said he was a GOP poll watcher, said at the press conference, held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Northeast Philadelphia. “They did not allow us to see anything. Was it corrupt or not? But give us an opportunity as poll watchers to view all the documents — all of the ballots.”

Trenton political insiders watched with bemusement as Brooks took the podium.

Brooks was incarcerated in the 1990s on charges of sexual assault, lewdness and endangering the welfare of a minor for exposing himself to two girls ages 7 and 11, according to news accounts.

Brooks has run for various offices, including U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives.

Coquohvan · 09/11/2020 15:01

Yes where is the VP Pence?

ListeningQuietly · 09/11/2020 15:01

Make the
Asshole
Go
Away

A me rica

United
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Nancydrawn · 09/11/2020 15:04

@Wherrsmaclickypen

The UK and US contrasts are worth making, especially around 'personality' based politics. It's been implicit here that "the party" and manifesto policies are bigger than any individual and that the state apparatus, here the Civil Service, executes under the political will/direction of the governing party of the day from Westminster. As such Boris can be a complete arse but there is no suggestion of absolute power - you know the 22 committee or other groups are busy continuing to plot the success of the Party, not an individual, and he will be manoeuvred out if and when expedient.(possibly quite soon). It's a degree of self-regulation albeit somewhat Machiavellian. That's what feels terrifyingly missing here. I cannot fathom how and why senior Republicans are allowing these rabid witterings and that jawdropping post- election press conference to happen unless they are letting Trump hang himself. His conduct is a national embarrassment and brings the Office into disrepute, yet all the coverage is about who is being sent into the rabid lion's den, one by one, dangling a juicy steak in order to reason with him.....where are the crack team of marksmen with tranquilliser darts? I get that the Party is dependent on the support of Trumpians, and presumably need them to secure the Senate via the Michigan campaign but are they really proposing indulging Trump's behaviour until January?
The problem is that Trump has really taken over the base of the party, and they're all scared that they're going to get primaried.

Rather than the party choosing local candidates, or at least having a heavy hand in it as they do in the UK, pretty much any candidate can stand in the Republican (or Democratic) primary. This means that the party is very susceptible to attacks from the farther wings of the party.

Now, the local party can do what they want in trying to shout that person down and to pick a centrist/party-approved candidate. But if Donald Trump weighs in and endorses the outside candidate, that outside candidate could easily win the primary.

In Congressional elections, where districts are often very partisan, that means these people have a seat in Congress--like the QAnon supporter from Georgia, for instance. There, the Republicans have to deal with them.

But in state elections, it can have consequences too, with the party losing the votes of moderates who either vote for the other side or stay home. Extreme candidates tend not to do well on a statewide level, even in quite partisan states.

So the GOP as a whole is worried that Trump will undercut them in various districts, states, etc. But more importantly, individual GOP officials are very worried that Trump will undercut them specifically in their next race--that, for instance, he would endorse a Republican challenger who would win in the primary and turf them out of office.

This is why Jeff Flake said that if you had a secret ballot for impeachment, you would have gotten 35 Republican senators to co-sign: they were just afraid to do it publicly.

SabrinaThwaite · 09/11/2020 15:05

Pence keeping a low profile - he’ll probably want to let Trump see out his time quietly, as if he takes over as President for the last few weeks that appears to then count as one of the two terms available to him.

StatisticallyChallenged · 09/11/2020 15:12

@RedToothBrush

BTW, if you want to put this into context with how this affects the UK, then Johnson is interesting.

Johnson has played the role of 'Yes Man' to Trump rather than being identical to him. Johnson now finds himself in the position where he has to fumble about to save his own neck much like the Trump inner circle. So I don't agree with the assessment that he is exactly like Trump.

Johnson himself has definitely surrounded himself with far too many yes men too. But the dynamics are different here and he DOES have a lot of people around him telling him blunt home truths. And unlike Trump who just bulldosers forward regardless of everything, Johnson is indecisive and prone to not quite knowing his own mind. He doesn't go on gut instinct alone. He considers options (even if he doesn't understand what he's being told fully) and his pattern of behaviour is of uturn after uturn rather being unwilling to concede that he's made mistakes. He spins these mistakes more to his advantage instead.

Johnson tends to be much more of an opportunist jumping on the lastest passing bandwagon that looks attractive rather than a carbon copy of Trump for that reason.

Thats both good and bad for the UK. It makes Johnson untrustworthy and easy to manipulate (Both traits similar to Trump). But it also gives a degree of flexibility to change course and to try and reinvent. Its more reflective and responsive. (This is both good and bad).

Johnson ultimately does what is best for Johnson first and foremost. But he's in an increasingly difficult position on multiple fronts with Brexit, Covid and now a complete change in the dynamics of world politics which now leave him isolated. He's facing an economic disaster which is potentially deeper than anywhere else in the world as a result. He's in trouble and in very weak position.

It will be fascinating to see how he can squirm his way out of this, but I think there will be a growing sense that he won't be the asset he was to the Tory party and is now growing increasingly toxic. And there are people willing to capitalise on that for their own political ambitions...

I agree re Johnson. I think he's very different, actually - BJ is all about what will be the best political move for him, what will increase his popularity. I don't think he even knows what his own political views are!

I recall reading that he's actually sat down and weighed up the options of which side to support re brexit, and I have no doubt that the potential for his own future significantly contributed to that. On the No side he was behind several other prominent politicians and would not be the leader of the campaign. On the Yes side he would be amongst if not the biggest "personality" (excluding Farage of course, but let's face it they were two separate campaigns pretty much!). He took a calculated risk to be the big fish in a small pond, and it paid off.

Similarly he's seen that Trumps loud shouty blustering got him all the way to the presidency and decided to copy it. But unlike Trump, he doesn't have the courage of his own convictions and so it doesn't really work. Trump - for all he's an absolute beep beep beeeeeeeep - has raging narcissistic faith in himself which carried him through. I don't think BJ has that, or at least not to the same extent. He's a slimy weasel to be sure but I don't think he has the same level of narcissism or outright sociopathy as Trump.

He's more like that kid at school who is always trying to copy the cool kids rather than having the confidence to be themselves.

StatisticallyChallenged · 09/11/2020 15:16

@SabrinaThwaite

Pence keeping a low profile - he’ll probably want to let Trump see out his time quietly, as if he takes over as President for the last few weeks that appears to then count as one of the two terms available to him.
I don't believe this is the case. I believe he would have to act as president for 2 years (in the case of a VP stepping up) for it to count as one of his two terms.

However he is still young enough to stand as a candidate in future elections and I think for that reason he would behave himself if Trump did either resign or just piss off and leave him to it. I fundamentally disagree with Pence's politics but he is more of a politicial than Trump and will be thinking about himself. Similarly I don't think he'd pardon Trump in the resign and pardon scenarios folk have discussed.

Lweji · 09/11/2020 15:27

Must remember to thank the often maligned younger generation.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/youth-turnout-us-election-biden-victory-young-voters

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2020 15:30

In the last year

Mike Pence @Mike_Pence
HUGE NEWS: Thanks to the public-private partnership forged by President @realDonaldTrump, @pfizer announced its Coronavirus Vaccine trial is EFFECTIVE, preventing infection in 90% of its volunteers.

www.newsweek.com/pfizer-covid-vaccine-operation-warp-speed-trump-pence-1546024
Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Was 'Never Part' of Trump's Operation Warp Speed, Says Research Head

She told The New York Times: "We were never part of the Warp Speed. We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone."

I believe the only government involved with this vaccine was Germany through Pfizer's partner BioNTech.

investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-receive-eu375m-funding-german-federal-ministry
BioNTech to Receive up to €375M in Funding from German Federal Ministry of Education and Research to Support COVID-19 Vaccine Program BNT162

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2020 15:30

*last hour...

Roussette · 09/11/2020 15:49

Is Trump going to call it 'The Trump Vaccine'?

Pence is a liar.

StatisticallyChallenged · 09/11/2020 15:54

Of course Pence is a liar - just a different type of liar.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 09/11/2020 15:55

To be fair, @Roussette, nobody in the present US administration got where they are today without being a liar.

Lweji · 09/11/2020 15:56

Meanwhile, Biden already has his task force

www.businessinsider.com/biden-covid-19-advisory-board-coronavirus-panel-vivek-murthy-2020-11

JamieLeeCurtains · 09/11/2020 16:01

That's a fine looking task force

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/11/2020 16:05

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Copperas · 09/11/2020 16:10

Atul Gawande - good indeed!

Copperas · 09/11/2020 16:10

@Cacacoisfarraige - I was just thinking that!

QuestionableDanceMoves · 09/11/2020 16:11

Strange Twitter haven’t flagged Pence’s tweet as being inaccurate when they’re so quick on Trumps ones- it’s an outright lie and should be flagged as such

EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 09/11/2020 16:15

Some of you might really be amused by this (volume up)
twitter.com/ropoem/status/1325819806579384322?s=21

Also, absolutely adorable but the president elect’s dogs have a Twitter account!
twitter.com/first_dogs_usa/status/1325521886495772672?s=21

Apileofballyhoo · 09/11/2020 16:17

Find it hard to think of Trump as a victim when the reason people didn't tell him things is because they were afraid of him. I see his two sons as victims of an abusive father though. Suspect Ivanka is the golden child, as Trump himself was before her. Golden children are victims too though, and in that sense I do realise Trump was shaped by his upbringing. He certainly doesn't seem to be a happy person.