He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

They’ve only been and gone and done it.
Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4072116--Trump-thread-No-111-and-the-count-goes-on?pg=10

@Grrrpredictivetex

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/libertarian-jo-jorgensen-donald-trump-joe-biden

Interestingly I've been listening to LBC UK radio, and they've been discussing Jo Jorgensen whom I must be honest I'd no idea who she was. They're saying she's tipped the balance in a few places, getting quite a lot of votes taking them from Trump. She appealed to a wide democratic especially the youth. Interesting thought.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/explained/who-is-jo-jorgensen-us-election-results-6976535/lite/

I noticed the vote share and guessed those votes would have gone to Trump. Well I'd say they did go to Trump in 2016.

Exactly, he is irrelevant and his rants are the same.

I thought I’d detected an increasing move towards the media not reporting on Trump’s every batshit utterance today, but I’ve now got BBC News channel on in the background and they have just covered it all at some length. Part of me if his Tweets are escalating in terms of their outrageousness because he’s attention seeking. The media could do with ignoring them and only reporting on his flailing in the most minimal, factual and uncommented way possible.

Whatever happens between now and the 5th of January run-off Senate election in Georgia might determine who controls the Senate, which will shape Biden's Presidency.
Some posturing by GOP may relate to that, including attacks on Biden.
I do wonder if the current cat fights between Democrats are related too. There have been recommendations not to mention "socialism" at all, for example. I wonder if they will figure out what is the winning strategy for this or will ruin their chances.

I think it will be an interesting couple of months still, considering that Biden has done well there.

[quote TheNorthWestPawsage]Tweets from Buzzfeed in NV today:

Truly deranged stuff at this Trump camp press conference in NV. Matt Schlapp cites an unnamed "whistleblower" in a counting center who saw a Biden/Harris van pull up, unload ballots, open them with a letter opener, swap votes, and replace them — all apparently in plain sight! 🤡

No evidence for this claim, remind you! Just a guy somewhere! Ok!

They're now saying the whistleblower is too scared to officially come forward to Nevada's Republican secretary of state. Refusing to answer Qs on whether they will actually file any lawsuits. Truly clown car stuff here.
twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1325572906114560001?s=21[/quote]
Well of course, if you are perpetrating electoral fraud you'd do it in a clearly marked van.

And how long did it take them to open (surely thousands) of ballots, including their inner security envelopes, replace them and reseal them all. In broad daylight. In a logo'd van.

Ffs. The possibility of an election being rigged isn't impossible but at least come up with some plausible stories

Re Trump's accusations of cheating being projection - DH says Rick Wilson (Lincoln Project) has been using that term for months discussing Trump. He also listens to a woman journalist based in NY who does podcasts about the Trump organisation, and she's been using the term projection too for a long time. He said she says if Trump is saying a business rival is breaking laws, it means Trump is breaking those laws, or has done in the past.

Just going to leave this here...

Just FYI Trump is going to be having his first media appearance for a while on the Mark Levin/Fox News tonight around 8pm ET

So we're now planning how to support the Senate Democrat candidates in the Georgia runoffs.

I do feel sorry for the people of Georgia. The political ads finally stopped, and now they're going to start again. It's hard to describe quite how inexorable they are. At one point on Election Day I went through the 8 radio stations in my car, and on 4 of them there was a political ad, and on the 5th was Sara Gideon chatting to an interviewer.

@HoldMyLobster

So we're now planning how to support the Senate Democrat candidates in the Georgia runoffs.

I do feel sorry for the people of Georgia. The political ads finally stopped, and now they're going to start again. It's hard to describe quite how inexorable they are. At one point on Election Day I went through the 8 radio stations in my car, and on 4 of them there was a political ad, and on the 5th was Sara Gideon chatting to an interviewer.

DH and I are planning to make donations to both Ossoff's and Warnock's campaigns. As a non-residents, we figure that's about all we can do. That and pray.

@EveryoneRevealsThemselves

Just FYI Trump is going to be having his first media appearance for a while on the Mark Levin/Fox News tonight around 8pm ET

I'll wait for the Cliff Notes version. There's no way I'm watching that!

Trump was a no show and his Mo day schedule shows no public events for the day. He’s officially in hiding!

He (or someone on his team) has been busy Tweeting Fox News clips in the last couple of hours though.

Pressure mounts on federal agency to affirm Biden victory.
Until the General Services Administration determines Biden is the president-elect, his transition team cannot access government funds or communicate with federal agencies.
www.politico.com/news/2020/11/08/general-services-administration-biden-win-435203

The letter raises the pressure on the General Services Administration, whose administrator, Emily Murphy, has resisted affirming that Biden won the election. In a statement released Saturday, the agency said, "an ascertainment has not yet been made. GSA and its Administrator will continue to abide by, and fulfill, all requirements under the law.” The agency did not comment further on Sunday.

Until Murphy ascertains that Biden is the president-elect, the Biden transition cannot access government funds or communicate with the federal agencies they will be staffing. Experts say that the delay could hinder the Biden effort. "Every day counts in a transition, this year more than any transition since 1932,” said David Marchick, the director of the Center for Presidential Transition.

That has thrust the low-key Murphy into the center of the presidential contest. The GSA’s hesitation is partly to avoid any hint of partisanship. Since President Donald Trump has not conceded the race and is pursuing several legal challenges, declaring Biden the victor would likely prompt outrage from the right. The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment about the GSA.

Chris Murphy is a Dem Senator for Connecticut

1/ The disarray of the lame duck Trump White House, especially in the national security space, could be staggering. And our adversaries may try to take advantage.

A short THREAD on what could go wrong in the next 60 days, and how Congress can help fill the void.
twitter.com/chrismurphyct/status/1325628894955909123?s=21

BBC were talking to someone versed in all of this, about when Trump might concede, and he said 10 days.
I presume 10 days will be time for the lawyers to chuck out all these ridiculous claims, for Trump to have a couple of days to have a tantrum assimilate the information, and then accept he's lost.

I read that recounts yield very little change any time it has been done in the US (apart from hanging chads fiasco of course).
Maybe a few hundred votes, and nothing that would afect any results. So no idea where Trump is going with this. I presume it is just to sow civil unrest.

He's gone through his life being enabled, being a winner in his eyes, no one standing up to him so this must be the worst time ever for him. Deny deny deny has been his MO always and this is no different.

Four Seasons Total Landscaping is now selling a sticker that says “MAKE AMERICA RAKE AGAIN!” and “LAWN AND ORDER!”

Four Seasons Total Landscaping is now selling a sticker that says “MAKE AMERICA RAKE AGAIN!” and “LAWN AND ORDER!”
Also soon to be selling t-shirts according to this eyewitness account of trump's last rally.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/i-saw-donald-trump-s-presidency-come-crashing-down-at-four-seasons-total-landscaping-b1699962.html

Perking I am at the two Admin officials employed to stick back together with sellotape all the pieces of paper that Trump was supposed to preserve for Presidential Records, but he just tore them up and chucked them in the bin or on the floor.
Thank god we will have some order in the WH soon.

Make America Rake Again is very apt given Trump's obsession with raking forests!

she says if Trump is saying a business rival is breaking laws, it means Trump is breaking those laws, or has done in the past. and
Deny deny deny has been his MO always and this is no different.

We find this MO very interesting. We know someone (at least one! and I'm sure everyone does) who is basically 'poor Trump'. He is a nasty piece of work; but our conversations often come back round to 'He obviously knows he's lying. He must do. Mustn't he? He can't possibly believe that black is white.' Do these people act from a calculating, often 'evil' frame of mind, or are they to be pitied on some level, because they truly believe they are right and the rest of the world is wrong? Surely there must be a grain of doubt in there...

The thing with all the court actions and claims of going to the Supreme Court is that my understanding is that you can’t just go straight to SCOTUS, you need to get approval from a lower court first. At the rate the actions are being thrown out in individual states surely they’ll never get near SCOTUS?

We will also have Trevor Noah’s Presidential Twitter Library.
www.cc.com/shows/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah/trump-twitter-library/nyc

So Trump, encouraged by Guiliani, Kushner and others, is planning on the road rallies to prove to everyone he wuz robbed. He will read out a list of dead people who have voted, and push the message

'The goal of the messaging blitz is to raise enough doubt about the results that secretaries of state in battlegrounds feel pressure to open investigations or call on their own for recounts -- something that would prolong the process and potentially give the campaign more time to advance its litigation through the courts'

www.reuters.com/article/usa-election/biden-plans-for-white-house-as-trump-plans-rallies-to-protest-his-election-loss-idUSKBN27M0U3

It wouldn’t surprise me if we hear soon that Trump is planning to restart his rallies.
Back to all the states he thinks he’s won to rile up the (armed) faithful. He needs his regular fix of adoration as that’s what keeps him going. (And he’ll be using Airforce One etc. )

He really does think that if he doesn’t concede then he hasn’t lost.

Oh lol! Roussette just saw your post! So he is.