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#Trump thread No 111 and the count goes on.

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lionheart · 06/11/2020 22:22

Come on over and let's see this through to the end.

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MrsLangOnionsMcWeetabix · 07/11/2020 11:15

If anyone is interested in the origins of the electoral college system The Guardian just posted a link to this article www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/electoral-college-racist-origins/601918/

TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/11/2020 11:19

So now the Hatch Act is a thing?
From CNN WH correspondent:

Pretty unusual not to see White House aides on TV multiple times a day, but Trump's top gov surrogates have all but disappeared from air since Tuesday. WH attorneys advised them not to discuss election legal drama, citing the Hatch Act, which his staff has a history of violating.

A person familiar with the situation said that because the Trump campaign is leading the legal effort, campaign officials are managing the TV bookings.
twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1324903110653997061?s=21

lionheart · 07/11/2020 11:22

My goodness, just dipped into the MAGA threads.

The 'recounts' validate the the view that the election was corrupt.

The recount will confirm the corruption so that it can be corrected and Trump will be declared the winner.

Meanwhile, the fact that thousands of ballots arrive to be processed after all the others is because the Democrats need to count the legitimate votes before figuring out how many additional ballots they need to invent in order to win.

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GrouchyKiwi · 07/11/2020 11:29

@Lweji

How about the episode in Season 5 when Glenn Close plays Chief Justice and becomes the SCOTUS nominee despite the ideological differences between her and ruling party?

Ooh.
I don't remember that one. It looks like I need to re-watch the series. Star I wouldn't dare under Trump. Too painful.

DH and I said the same thing last night. We've been talking about a rewatch for a while but couldn't bring ourselves to do so. Feels like a new dawn.
Lweji · 07/11/2020 11:36

drspouse
Why hasn't Alaska declared yet?
They have to wait until the thaw

Maybe some baking would help.

Lweji · 07/11/2020 11:39

I hope the lead increases for Biden in Georgia, just because.

SabrinaThwaite · 07/11/2020 11:40

[quote Lonelycrab]@Mrsmorton a pp put up this link which shows the counting figures really clearly. Bidens lead in Georgia currently about 7k with an unspecified amount of ballots to go.

1% margin would be about 24k votes so not that far off. Hope I got that right I’m still mainlining coffee...

alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html[/quote]
The point where Trump can request a recount is where the difference between the leading candidates is 0.5% or less of the total number of ballots cast as I understand it.

Currently that’s about 5.9 million, so 0.5% of that is 29,500.

DuncinToffee · 07/11/2020 11:45

@Lweji

drspouse Why hasn't Alaska declared yet? They have to wait until the thaw

Maybe some baking would help.

Grin

Alaska last updated on 4 November, EV : 3
Trump 51,382
Votes remaining 193,975

DuncinToffee · 07/11/2020 11:48

@Lweji

I hope the lead increases for Biden in Georgia, just because.
Still going up, latest count at 07.46 this morning Biden 7,248
rogueantimatter · 07/11/2020 11:48

Hi from another lurker.

Talk about 'interesting times'. Thank goodness there's nothing else momentous happening. Oh wait

PullTheBricksDown · 07/11/2020 11:49

Checking in. Personally I'm happy enough for this to go on! CNN and their chat and diagrams are keeping me entertained while Trump stews. We had the cava out last night to celebrate!

Mrsmorton · 07/11/2020 11:49

@Lonelycrab @SabrinaThwaite

Thank you.

Blueberries0112 · 07/11/2020 11:50

@TheNorthWestPawsage

Melissa McCarthy as Spicer are almost the “good old days”!

I don’t have proof this is real... but begging emails getting a tad threatening?

I get emails like this from all sort of politicians I ignore it
LadyWithLapdog · 07/11/2020 11:51

Thank you for that twitter link to Michael Rapaport’s clip. Very cathartic.

SabrinaThwaite · 07/11/2020 11:52

I don’t think Biden will get anywhere near the point where Trump can’t request a recount, but the bigger that lead the better, as it provides a cushion for any fluctuations in vote counts in a recount.

The fact that Georgia is taking its time is good, as hopefully they’re working on accuracy over speed, so a recount would not change the numbers too much.

chloechloe · 07/11/2020 11:54

Just logging in to the new thread. I very much enjoyed the Buzzfeed somebody posted on page 1. 4 days binge watching CNNhas turned me into a Jake Tapper fan Blush

PeterPanNeverLands · 07/11/2020 11:56

Wonder if they will practice self isolation.

#Trump thread No 111 and the count goes on.
showmethegin · 07/11/2020 11:59

@chloechloe

Just logging in to the new thread. I very much enjoyed the Buzzfeed somebody posted on page 1. 4 days binge watching CNNhas turned me into a Jake Tapper fan Blush
Ha same! He's very lovely isn't he Grin
Lweji · 07/11/2020 12:00

This may help.
And yes, there's a link to the election. Grin

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/06/how-should-you-deal-with-stress-in-2020-first-ditch-the-meditation

DuncinToffee · 07/11/2020 12:01

If you want to know why the counting is taking so long, read this thread from a non-partisan observer

twitter.com/juliecmoroney/status/1324558603961991169?s=21

terrywynne · 07/11/2020 12:07

[quote DuncinToffee]If you want to know why the counting is taking so long, read this thread from a non-partisan observer

twitter.com/juliecmoroney/status/1324558603961991169?s=21[/quote]
Ok, so can someone explain how the challengers think works? I just assumed it was like here where party reps in a constituency get to watch the county (I think?). But who are these challengers? Why are there so many of them? Why can they be so disruptive? And the non partisan challengers are there to watch the party challengers or to also watch/challenge the counting but without bias? So many questions!

terrywynne · 07/11/2020 12:08

And who are the challengers? Are they involved with the party campaigns or can just anyone turn up to be one?

terrywynne · 07/11/2020 12:08

Ooops! I had already asked who.... But I really want to know how this works now Grin

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2020 12:09

A little on what happens next (especially for the British).

The winner of the election although called by the press isn't officially recognised until 14th December when the Electoral College meet to case their electoral college votes formally.

Typically Electoral College votes follow the results of the public ballot but they don't have to. There have been occasions when they have gone against the public vote in some states - faithless electors. This did actually happen in 2016 (both for Clinton and Trump) but didn't change the result.

This isn't something that should be thought of as a serious threat this time around. Especially with how Trump is behaving. Biden is likely to have a comfortable enough margin of victory to avoid it being a problem even if it does happen. (And there are also ways to challenge this legally too - in 2016 several faithless votes were successfully overturned and the ones that stood were against Trump's favour by Republicans).

No doubt Trump will try and pull something to win via this route, but this would pretty much guarentee civil war if he were to pull it off. Its extremely unlikely simply for that reason.

Congress then meet on 6th January to certify the result and the winner.

Again in theory Congress could potentially block Biden's formal recognition. But again you are pretty much into civil war ground if that were to happen. For all the support Trump has Republican Congressmen won't do this in sufficient numbers (infact from the few who have already spoken up about the integrity of election, its definitely a closed door because of the numbers that would be needed. And the more Trump carries on the more Republicans will come out against him)

Then Biden will be inaugurated on 20th January.

So next week will be when all the votes are counted, and Trump's tantruming about these results can only continue until 14th December before he's told to bluntly fuck off.

There may still be vexacious legal challenges after this but at this point he will be on a complete hiding to nothing. There is no way the Supreme Court is going to rule in his favour at thispoint (in the unlikely event a case ever reaches them) because again - civil war.

I think his tantruming (and perhaps more importantly that of his associates) strays into formal treasonous behaviour if they include inciting violence from the 6th January when Congress sign things off in law.

We could see trouble at each of these crucial dates and associated with the 5th January double senate run off in Georgia which will decide who controls the senate. Its unlikely the democrats will get both they seats they need to tie the senate but it depends on what turnout is like - if Trump delegitimises elections in the eyes of his voters enough, it could spring a surprise. Hardliners are more likely to cause trouble.

At some point Trump has to give up and conceed defeat, run out of lawyers willing to back him / courts willing to hear a case or verge into illegality.

I think looking out for Trump (and his family) leaving the country for any reason at all is also something to look out for.

What is more likely is what shit Trump tries to pull particularly with executive orders before 20th January. The possibility remains that he will still act like a wrecking ball against as much of the state as possible. (This largely can be reversed after the 20th but not without potential chaos in the interrim depending on how many toys are thrown out of the pram).

However the 'checks and balances' of the American Constitution are now swinging back into full effect despite Trump's efforts to undermine them and he's run out of time to do anything more to stay in power. The only thing he can do is destablise the country and incite violence. And even then he can only do that for so long.

Just have to wait now.

Game Over.

Trump is a loser.

Yohoheaveho · 07/11/2020 12:13

Game over
Thank you thank you RedToothBrush🙏
music to my ears🎶🎷

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