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Trump thread #110 where the orange one is going away

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freddosfrogs · 06/11/2020 04:18

How long will this one take to fill ?

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2020 15:24

@BruceAndNosh

Even though she carries the mantle of Daughter of Trump, I can't see Ivanka as a candidate, even a puppet one. She has the stage presence of rice pudding
Have you not seen the competitive auditioning thats been going on over the last 24 hrs? Donnie Jr and Eric are trying to out do each other on twitter, both vying for Daddy's attention. Ivana is a useful tool for Trump to control both boys because she is such a mannequin.
PerkingFaintly · 06/11/2020 15:27

Nauticant, I'm agreeing with so much you say today.

Ninetyseventhirtyfive · 06/11/2020 15:28

@StirlingFloss I didn't know that, that is good news! Let's hope Biden sticks to it, makes me respect him more. And feels like double good news if Biden wins today as seems likely now.

occa · 06/11/2020 15:30

*Also, re comments about the Republicans reigning "their guy" in...

Trump is not the Republican party's guy. He's the alien that's bursting out of the Republican party's chest.

The Republican party was just the host for him and his sponsors.

It's really important that people understand this. I've been frustrated over the last few years by the number of people (esp long-serving political pundits) who simply hadn't seem to grasp this: it's why they kept getting surprised. *

I agree with this to an extent, I think in 2015/2016 the GOP were definitely holding their noses and going along with Trump for the good of their own interests the party, but it was incredibly interesting to see how they changed over the years.

He was and is a highly autocratic leader, and instead of unsuccessfully fighting him, they aligned themselves with him and wholeheartedly went along with him. They quickly realized that he didn't follow rules or protocol or traditions or party, basically did whatever he wanted, and it really worked in the GOP's favour. Look at the shift in the judiciary.

I think he wasn't their guy at the start, but they have morphed so much and become so sycophantic that he definitely is their guy now. He did show everybody up front who he was and he didn't change, but the GOP became the Trump party. How much of that ethos remains post-Trump remains to be seen, but Trump basically 'allowed' them to run with their basest instincts and they had a damn good time doing it.

nauticant · 06/11/2020 15:30

I already recognise your name PerkingFaintly as someone who posts stuff worth reading, even if I don't always agree.

terrywynne · 06/11/2020 15:32

This may have been covered (sorry, haven't had time to keep up with whole thread!) But I've been reading the statement by Trump's campaign lawyer on BBC live coverage. Does he really believe what he is saying (false projections, Trump will win etc)?? Or is it like when lawyers for unreasonable Ex's send out letters because their client has paid and insisted on that wording (even when advised against it)?

lionheart · 06/11/2020 15:32

At this rate it might be necessary to suck him out of the airlock to get rid.

The host invited the parasite to come on over.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2020 15:32

via guardian

Andrew Bates, the director of rapid response for Joe Biden’s campaign, was asked by Fox News about reports that Donald Trump does not intend to concede if he is declared the loser in the presidential race.

“As we said on July 19th, the American people will decide this election,” Bates said. “And the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House.”

CNN reports:

In conversations with allies in recent days, President Trump has said he has no intention to concede the election to Joe Biden, even if his path to a second term in office is effectively blocked by losses in places like Georgia and Pennsylvania.

Aides, including his chief of staff Mark Meadows, have not attempted to bring Trump to terms of what’s happening and have instead fed his baseless claim that the election is being stolen from him.

Trump’s allies have grown concerned that someone is going to have to reckon with the President that his time in office is potentially coming to an end, though they have not decided who should be the one to do it. There has been talk of potentially Jared Kushner or Ivanka Trump doing so, sources said.

They are all terrified of breaking the news to him.

Thats how he's kept control of the Republican party: fear.

Once that spell is broken, then his power will rather rapidly dissolve to just his fanatics who follow him on twitter.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2020 15:35

4169 votes left to be counted in Georgia (that they currently know about - in case more turn up before the deadline today).

terrywynne · 06/11/2020 15:37

Occa interesting points! I have been wondering whether Boris Johnson (who I think has been morphing into a kind of Trump-lite approach to doing political leadership) will have to shift his image/reinvent himself again, if Biden wins.

TheOneTheOnlyPedroPony · 06/11/2020 15:37

Long time lurker, first time poster on these threads:

Trump’s allies have grown concerned that someone is going to have to reckon with the President that his time in office is potentially coming to an end, though they have not decided who should be the one to do it. There has been talk of potentially Jared Kushner or Ivanka Trump doing so, sources said.

I'll do it Grin

PerkingFaintly · 06/11/2020 15:37

@StirlingFloss

Trump is not the Republican party's guy. He's the alien that's bursting out of the Republican party's chest

Can see this point of view but don't they have to take some responsibility for enabling him? Now that trust in democracy is at stake?

Yes, absolutely, people who have enabled Trump and bought in to his team knowing what he was doing and knowing he lies, have responsibility for their actions.

But that isn't the whole party. There are ordinary people who voted Republican this week who – if what they said to the media in vox-pops is true – share a lot of my values and probably the values of a lot of Dems (obv I'm not a Dem, being British).

It's just that those people believe – I claim erroneously – that those values are to be found in Trump; and they believe the bad things that I see in Trump are to be found in Biden /Dems / anyone left of Mitch McConnell.

These are the people who will rebuild the country. They need to be given the space to be the Republicans they want to be, without being Trumpists.

CherryValanc · 06/11/2020 15:38

@terrywynne

Occa interesting points! I have been wondering whether Boris Johnson (who I think has been morphing into a kind of Trump-lite approach to doing political leadership) will have to shift his image/reinvent himself again, if Biden wins.
He may have no choice. Biden winning is not good for Boris.
PullTheBricksDown · 06/11/2020 15:38

@occa

*Also, re comments about the Republicans reigning "their guy" in...

Trump is not the Republican party's guy. He's the alien that's bursting out of the Republican party's chest.

The Republican party was just the host for him and his sponsors.

It's really important that people understand this. I've been frustrated over the last few years by the number of people (esp long-serving political pundits) who simply hadn't seem to grasp this: it's why they kept getting surprised. *

I agree with this to an extent, I think in 2015/2016 the GOP were definitely holding their noses and going along with Trump for the good of their own interests the party, but it was incredibly interesting to see how they changed over the years.

He was and is a highly autocratic leader, and instead of unsuccessfully fighting him, they aligned themselves with him and wholeheartedly went along with him. They quickly realized that he didn't follow rules or protocol or traditions or party, basically did whatever he wanted, and it really worked in the GOP's favour. Look at the shift in the judiciary.

I think he wasn't their guy at the start, but they have morphed so much and become so sycophantic that he definitely is their guy now. He did show everybody up front who he was and he didn't change, but the GOP became the Trump party. How much of that ethos remains post-Trump remains to be seen, but Trump basically 'allowed' them to run with their basest instincts and they had a damn good time doing it.

And it gives them the option now to start distancing themselves if that seems judicious, while still enjoying the benefits of things like the conservative majority on the Supreme Court.
PerkingFaintly · 06/11/2020 15:39

(Now I'm really going to do laundry. Honest.)

lionheart · 06/11/2020 15:39

Poor McNinny has deleted the past 5 days worth of tweets ... She must be thinking about refashioning herself.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2020 15:40

Paul Danahar @pdanahar
"There will be a recount in Georgia” due to the closeness of the result says the Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

Roussette · 06/11/2020 15:41

terry I've said before, I think if Biden wins, Johnson will not hang around past next Spring.

I like your posts Perking, I agree, not all Republicans are the rabid sort, there are reasonable middle of the road ones out there too. I wonder what they are feeling at the moment because the GOP needs to rebuild itself.

terrywynne · 06/11/2020 15:42

But that isn't the whole party. There are ordinary people who voted Republican this week who – if what they said to the media in vox-pops is true – share a lot of my values and probably the values of a lot of Dems (obv I'm not a Dem, being British).

I think there was something about ordinary people with a Cuban background voting Republican because they are afraid of socialism (as they understand it in Cuba) and they believe the Republicans stand against it. (I think that's right anyway).

Of course the term socialism as it used in America (slightly left leaning social health care policies for example) is nothing like socialism elsewhere in the world...

DuncinToffee · 06/11/2020 15:42

Biden lead in Penn now at 6826

Roussette · 06/11/2020 15:42

lionheart I can't believe that! McNinny! Well in fact, I can. I never want to see her again to be honest. Each Press Secretary got worst than the last and she was the worst.

TokyoSushi · 06/11/2020 15:42

Oh goodness, update from Georgia just now on Sky News that they think they're likely to be looking at a recount, which will take about a week. Their poor counters must be demented, although I've counted in a few elections (I've moved to poll clerk now) and it's so exciting - I can only imagine what it must be like counting in this!

I expect that in the end though Biden can win without the Georgia recount and all will be fine.

Grrrpredictivetex · 06/11/2020 15:44

Watching Sky news. They have thoughts that possibly the Republicans may be trying to talk Trump down to squash all this hostility, with deals that may well help Trump in future regarding possible investigations and prosecution.
Mmm make of that what you will.

terrywynne · 06/11/2020 15:45

I've said before, I think if Biden wins, Johnson will not hang around past next Spring

Whilst this kind of makes me happy, I am slightly scared what we might get next....

Blueberries0112 · 06/11/2020 15:45

I figured he can win no matter which way he goes. PA alone, Georgia, or NV and AZ . They all leaning toward Bye-Don

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