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To feel sorry for Trump?

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tartanti · 04/11/2020 21:27

I’ve name changed for this as I know I will get completely flamed. But AIBU to secretly feel a little bit sorry for Trump? He campaigned so hard for this election compared to Biden and seemed to put his absolute all into it.

The amount of hate he gets on social media is astounding - I honestly don’t know how one person can handle all that and keep on going. I would have had a nervous breakdown or worse by now if I was on the receiving end of that.

His kids clearly love him and they seem alright - perhaps he’s not so bad behind the scenes? I think losing this election will destroy him as a person and whilst I don’t agree with his political viewpoint, I can’t help but feel slightly sorry for the guy.

AIBU?

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TheFormidableMrsC · 06/11/2020 00:08

Christ OP, did you just see his statement? No he needs taking out, I have zero sympathy for the absolute quilt Hmm

PastaAndPizzaPlease · 06/11/2020 00:15

His administration is the reason women have been forcibly sterilised against their will and without even understanding what’s happened to them.

He deserves to lose and any other horrible thing you can think of.

YABVVVVVVU

SpongeWorthy · 06/11/2020 00:18

That press conference was a complete shit show. He sounds unwell / sedated on top of rambling and desperate. He's going to fight this as far as he can, undermining democracy to feed his own ego. And he'll still lose, just lose the nation money and confidence in the meantime. What a selfish egomaniac.

Yohoheaveho · 06/11/2020 00:23

@pinpinbin

he just says what he wants to be true, irrespective of the facts, it's actually psychologically fascinating. He has a massive, massive personality disorders.
I agree, andforcibly asserting his version of events, droning on barely pausing for breath it seems rather 'pressure of speech', I feel he is trying to calm himself down, reassure himself that he is right and he has absolute authority
VeryQuaintIrene · 06/11/2020 00:37

No. I hope he goes to prison.

Buggritbuggrit · 06/11/2020 00:45

How very compassionate of you. As a Black person, with family in the US, your ignorance and ‘oh, well, his kids like him so he must be alright’ attitude disgusts me. You have time to post on Mumsnet, so you have time to look up Trump’s history and his policies. You chose not to.

You can attempt to hide your wilful ignorance behind a well meaning facade, but you are a lot of what is wrong with the world.

callistography · 06/11/2020 00:48

@SpongeWorthy

That press conference was a complete shit show. He sounds unwell / sedated on top of rambling and desperate. He's going to fight this as far as he can, undermining democracy to feed his own ego. And he'll still lose, just lose the nation money and confidence in the meantime. What a selfish egomaniac.
He really did sound quite unbalanced. I say unbalanced but I suppose what I mean is, more unbalanced than usual. He sounded very slurred/drugged and really was a classic example of someone who is, to put it mildly, FUCKING DELUSIONAL.

Wow. That was something else...

Still don't feel sorry for the nasty piece of work. I just hope they get him on those rape charges pretty quickly after his stranglehold on US politics is severed.

Yellownotblue · 06/11/2020 00:57

@Yohoheaveho that’s a very good observation. I’ve often wondered what is the matter with his speech pattern, and I think you’re spot on. I’ve met other people with the same “pressure of speech”, all of them had personality disorders or at the very least, a massively inflated opinion of their own intelligence.

Flaxmeadow · 06/11/2020 02:30

That press conference was a complete shit show. He sounds unwell / sedated on top of rambling and desperate. He's going to fight this as far as he can, undermining democracy to feed his own ego. And he'll still lose, just lose the nation money and confidence in the meantime. What a selfish egomaniac

Is he though?

I don't pretend to know much about US politics, or care particularly, and the election process seems complicated and especially a postal vote system that seems insecure. I'm on the fence about Trump and Biden but what makes Amercians think election fraud couldn't happen there?

It's happened before. It's happened here in the UK, Tower Hamlets for example. What makes 1st world voters so sure they can trust their town hall 100%. Do they think rigged elections can only happen in Africa or in eastern Europe or some banana republic. It's naive

Trump has made some extraordinary accusations. Yes he might be off his rocker, but then again he might not.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 06/11/2020 04:58

There's no evidence of fraud. He had a case thrown out in Michigan already because his suit claiming fraud could say neither when, where or how.

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tartanti · 06/11/2020 06:36

Christ OP, did you just see his statement?

I haven’t seen it yet but I’ve just read about it. It sounds like it was an absolute car crash. Trump appears to have completely lost it - his downfall and removal from the White House is going to be excruciating to watch.

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waterthedog · 06/11/2020 06:40

You are delusional. If "Putting his all into it" includes complete inability to tell the truth, then yes he did. He is literally campaigning for his life as he owes so much money and has committed fraud, he's likely to be charged when he's out of office. I guess that's quite motivating Hmm He cares little for anyone other than himself and his own interests but is happy to harm others to get his own way. The man should be in jail.

FudgeBrownie2019 · 06/11/2020 06:47

Everyone's giving an opinion about how unwell he is, how he has x or y disorder. I think maybe he's just a typical privileged spoilt brat who has grown up unchallenged by life, unchallenged by those around him and suddenly there's a situation he can't tantrum, threaten or buy his way out of and his whole mindset has collapsed because this is the first time he's ever been truly restrained by something other than his own will.

My 9 year old went through a phase when he was younger where everything that didn't suit him was unreasonable; he's lovely now but for a period of time it was like living with a bit of an asshat because he just couldn't be relied upon to behave rationally. That's Trump. He's a small boy with a big ego who has lost a game of Monopoly and just can't deal with it.

If you teach your children to be gracious when winning and when losing there's a good chance they won't end up this way.

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tartanti · 06/11/2020 06:50

You can attempt to hide your wilful ignorance behind a well meaning facade, but you are a lot of what is wrong with the world.

I’m not trying to hide anything, but thanks all the same!

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Faultymain5 · 06/11/2020 07:01

OP not sure why you feel sorry for him.
a) He's a short Richard
b) He hasn't lost - yet

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 06/11/2020 07:28

@StuartNorwich

Thank God people like you stay online on your pyjamas reading twitter instead of positions of any authority in the real world

Oh, the irony. Stuart, this is pretty much exactly what your bestie Donald has spent four years doing. Unfortunately , he also happened to have a position of authority during that time, which is reason #483 why he's been a fucking disaster.

Clearly you also missed GCSE geography classes at school if you don't know where Norwich is.

You must have skipped a few classes yourself if you don't know there's also a Norwich in America Wink,

Aaanyway. We're so close! How will everyone celebrate? Stuart will be wanking and crying, but what about the rest of us?

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 06/11/2020 07:31

@TheFormidableMrsC

Christ OP, did you just see his statement? No he needs taking out, I have zero sympathy for the absolute quilt Hmm
I don't know if it's a typo, but 'absolute quilt' is the best insult I've read on here. Obscure, yet quietly devastating.
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tartanti · 06/11/2020 07:31

How will everyone celebrate?

I won’t be celebrating another person’s downfall. So I’ll be going about my business as usual, hoping tentatively to myself that the world might become a calmer, more stable place!

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tartanti · 06/11/2020 07:32

I don't know if it's a typo, but 'absolute quilt' is the best insult I've read on here. Obscure, yet quietly devastating.

I liked that one too Grin

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Mittens030869 · 06/11/2020 07:36

I suspect that Trump's problem is that he never grasped the fact that the American voters are not his employees and he can't insist that they vote for him.

Instead, they're the ones who are saying to him, 'You're fired!'

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 06/11/2020 07:40

@tartanti flip it on its head then. Allow yourself to celebrate others being freed. Halo

longwayoff · 06/11/2020 07:48

I'm not a believer but I will probably be on my knees thanking God that the horror show that is Trump has been removed from the White House. Could he happen here in UK? USA has the oft quoted 'checks and balances' to protect the role of President from corruption and endangering the people. We've seen how effective it is. Would a Trump in No 10 be able to behave like the unfettered nutter in the White House or would it be possible to remove him? I think he'd be booted out, by fair means or foul, before it got to where Donny now is but I would never have believed that this situation could have arisen in the USA had we not been staring at it, mouths open in horror, for the past four years.

MadameBlobby · 06/11/2020 07:54

Surely to god you can’t still feel this way with the way he is carrying on OP?

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 06/11/2020 08:09

I do feel sorry for the small boy 70 years ago who endured a childhood so toxic and damaging that it turned him into... this. I've read Mary Trump's book and it does explain a lot. I can't feel sorry for him now though, because he's had so many opportunities to do the right thing, and each time he's chosen the opposite path.

FastMovingLuxuryGoods · 06/11/2020 08:12

The thing about having empathy and compassion, which you clearly do OP, is that it's really hard to believe that some other people don't. Trump is a sociopath and a narcissist - he is genuinely incapable of acknowledging other people's feelings or viewpoints and everything, everything he does or says is intended to try and sustain his own twisted view of the world and of his place in it, regardless of the impact on anyone else.

But if you're an ordinary decent person you tend to find it hard to understand that people like that really do exist and you tend to try and look for the good in them and to make excuses for their behaviour. You assume that they must have a good side and that maybe they just need a bit more love or understanding or whatever. On a smaller scale we see it all the time on here; women who stay with utterly fucking awful men who don't give two shits about them because they are nice people and their default position on humanity is that everyone has some good in them and everyone is worth loving.

The fact is, some people really are awful examples of human beings with no redeeming features. Trump is one of them. Compassion is good, but don't let it interfere with reality.