AIBU to feel upset by what I’m hearing?

[Capamile]

Sorry another covid related question.
People have probably had enough of this subject but just after opinions and thoughts really as finding it difficult to be biased.
My cousin died of covid aged 52 and had no other health issues, was fit and ate healthily.
Also, bro in law has covid and has been really poorly and in hospital (he’s 33 and again has no health issues).
I work in a very small company and a lot of my colleagues have been chatting about their kids going out although they’re currently under tier 2.
They’ve said their kids ranging from 18-25 have still been meeting friends and we’re talking about how all the young ones have been getting around the tier 2 rules by getting fake student ID cards made with same address on so looks like they all live together.
AIBU to think this is selfish and part of the reason we are going in lockdown tomorrow?
I don’t understand it’s difficult for young people (only 31 myself) and mental health is important but these live at home with their parents so aren’t living alone.
Their parents don’t see anything wrong with what they’re doing but I just feel it’s irresponsible personally.

YANBU to be angry about people breaking rules... you may BU to blame it all on rule breakers. I'm sure far more of the spread came from people doing things that were allowed at the time they did them.

Selfish, selfish TWATS.

The country is full of them.

Situations like the one we are in are bound to split people's opinions. It's similar to election times - one group can't understand the other.

Some people have lost relations, others' haven't. Some people are high risk, others think they are low risk. Some think the measures are too severe and damaging the economy will take more lives, others think the measures don't go far enough.

So, there's actually no point getting worked up about other peoples' actions and opinions. You can't change them, and are just causing yourself further stress.

YANBU.

If you are old enough to vote, you are old enough to understand what spreads covid and to behave responsibly.

@WorraLiberty

Honestly OP yo u don't have to keep explaining.

Just file it under "Threads I wish I'd never fucking started" 😂😂

Indeed. I’m sorry for your loss OP and hope your bil makes a speedy recovery.

@Souldyurr
Don’t even know where to start with your weird posts

Yabu, the underfunded NHS and the over inflated statistics are the reason we are going back into lockdown, not the students.

OoohTheStatsDontLie posted:

"I think they are irresponsible. I hate the whole attitude of 'it is very unlikely to kill me so I don't care about spreading it'"

I agree.

@Echobelly

YANBU to be angry about people breaking rules... you may BU to blame it all on rule breakers. I'm sure far more of the spread came from people doing things that were allowed at the time they did them.

She didn’t actually blame anyone. She said she thought they were part of the problem not solely the problem. Her OP doesn’t seem to have been read properly by quite a few people - especially Souldyurr who is by far the most vindictive and nasty person I’ve seen comment here on MN. Shameful.

@GalaxyCookieCrumble

Yabu, the underfunded NHS and the over inflated statistics are the reason we are going back into lockdown, not the students.

She didn’t say all students were to blame only that she thinks (rightly so ImHO) that her colleagues kids were part of the problem as they are going against the tier system rules in place prior to lockdown 2. She’s lost a relative and has one in hospital so understandable to get upset when people are bragging about their kids not giving a shit about anything but themselves. It’s fair to say many people (look at all the photos you see online of young people in the streets outside the people without masks on!) & protestors, people at work not SD are all to blame for this virus spreading.

@buildingbridge

OP please don't feed into Souldyurr. Why are you bothering with her? Let her say what she wants to say and focus on the other posters. People like Souldyurr are very unhappy with their lives. Otherwise, why would they spend their energy arguing with the OP on the internet! You say your piece here and there and you finish it! Jeez!

Why shouldn’t op defend herself if she’s being attacked so disgustingly? OP decided to stop commenting by looks of it anyway.

OP I'm sorry for your loss, agree that this behaviour is unacceptable. I was going to say that maybe it was one friend meeting another for MH support but it seems to be more than one. I'm fed up of people trying to find loopholes and then moaning about lockdown and the impact of it. If people stopped twisted the rules, transmission would be low (not non-existent) and lockdown may not have been necessary or could have been shorter. The handling of covid hasnt helped but that is a whole other thread.

The idea that young people should be content being locked up with only their parents for company for months on end is madness and I say that as someone who will never see 65 again.

We all need to be as careful as possible, but it is just not natural for young people to be so isolated from each other for such a long period of time.

@SnackSizeRaisin

Well I'm in tier 3 and have been meeting a group of friends in an indoor cafe on a regular basis. We are never the only group in the cafe either. No id was requested. I would say it's middle aged, middle class white women who are to blame... Or maybe just trying to protect our mental health? Just get on with your life and let others get on with theirs.

Well, you’re breaking the rules and are part of the problem! Why not stick the rules and call a friend or you could have met your friends outside and been observing the tier 3 rules. Nobody is exempt from the restrictions, not even you.

@Coyoacan

The idea that young people should be content being locked up with only their parents for company for months on end is madness and I say that as someone who will never see 65 again.

We all need to be as careful as possible, but it is just not natural for young people to be so isolated from each other for such a long period of time.

There’s a difference between a young person meeting a friend to go and exercise outdoors and a young person meeting several friends to get bladdered and not social distance.
If you’re old enough to drink, you’re old enough to understand how your actions can kill other people.

@Miljea

C'mon.

We have a heavily endorsed Tory Government. It's what 'we want'.

Let's not try 'Selfish' shaming.

The entire point of being Tory is a belief in self-reliance; self promotion; effectively 'looking after number one'.

That is the essence.

Please don't go calling 'selfish'.

You'd be a mug, considering where we are at, right now, to cite 'selfish'.

Our entire political ruling class have been elected upon the premise of 'number one'; i.e selfish.

What?

@Capamile

Sorry another covid related question. People have probably had enough of this subject but just after opinions and thoughts really as finding it difficult to be biased. My cousin died of covid aged 52 and had no other health issues, was fit and ate healthily. Also, bro in law has covid and has been really poorly and in hospital (he’s 33 and again has no health issues). I work in a very small company and a lot of my colleagues have been chatting about their kids going out although they’re currently under tier 2. They’ve said their kids ranging from 18-25 have still been meeting friends and we’re talking about how all the young ones have been getting around the tier 2 rules by getting fake student ID cards made with same address on so looks like they all live together. AIBU to think this is selfish and part of the reason we are going in lockdown tomorrow? I don’t understand it’s difficult for young people (only 31 myself) and mental health is important but these live at home with their parents so aren’t living alone. Their parents don’t see anything wrong with what they’re doing but I just feel it’s irresponsible personally.

Sorry for your loss OP I agree that these colleagues of yours and their kids are irresponsible. Imagine, their kids go out tonight, catch covid, show no symptoms. Give it their parents Parents bring it to your work You all get it at work

Happened exactly that way in DH workplac

One man, let’s call him Andy went out with a friend we will call Bill. Went drinking and didn’t social distance, went to smoking area together.

Two days later Bill felt unwell
Bill had a test another 3 days later
Bill tested positive
During these 5 days Bill was unwell,
Andy carried on going to work, to see his parents, to pub, restaurants...had no symptoms
When Andy heard Bill had tested positive, he went for a test
Andy tested positive
Andy had to tell work, his parents and anyone he went to pub and restaurant with during those 5 days Bill was ill

Andy’s workplace had to self isolate, so did his parents and some friends and his girlfriend

10 people Andy came into contact with during these 5 days tested positive including 6 at work, his parents, one friend and his girlfriend.

Luckily DH tested negative but is still self isolating. Everyone at his work currently working from home!

[quote Souldyurr]@Cheeseandlobster I did read the thread - I was the first person to comment. OP may or may not have heard one person saying one thing and has decided to blame an entire group for something that is, factually speaking, not their fault. If I said "my black colleague is breaking the rules therefore black people are to blame" no one would even remotely accept that behaviour because it's horrifically discriminatory and nasty. OP is no different - there's nothing to support what she's saying and it's a really nasty post blaming a group who have lost a hell of a lot during Covid to protect others.[/quote]
WHAT A LOAD OF TRIPE!!! Time these people grew up.
At their age, what is a year out of their lives?
Get their heads down and study and stop finding loopholes to circumvent the rules.
They have the rest of their lives ahead and maybe their grandparents will survive to see them graduate.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8915591/Britain-locks-Pubs-kick-drinkers-final-time-national-shutdown.html#article-8915591

Young people are fast becoming the problem and cause of this virus spreading.
Photos from tonight...

Sorry for your loss op There's probably some psychological theory that captures why certain people carry on like nothing is happening. Dissociation theory or something. ( I obviously don't know it) The ability to dissociate from a situation because it hasn't got up close and personal to you yet. It's not right but it's human psychology and behaviour. It probably allowed us some advantage in Neanderthal times ( but I'm not sure about that either)

Where are the psychologists and anthropologists when we need them??

I had a colleague who was an ex police detective. When people came out with ‘shocking’ stories at work she used to ask questions, but not in an aggressive way, as if she was trying to understand more.

e.g. “students are faking ID badges.....”

“Gosh, how dreadful, how do they do that then? And where do they get the blank cards? And how would they get the photo on? And do they look genuine?” etc etc until it becomes pretty obvious that it was a load of nonsense. Amazing the lies people will come up with for the sake of a good froth-inducing story.

What an extraordinary thread. Sorry for your losses OP.

As a fellow teacher I'm rather astonished at Souldyuur's apparent inability to read.

They’ve said their kids ranging from 18-25 have still been meeting friends and we’re talking about how all the young ones have been getting around the tier 2 rules by getting fake student ID cards made with same address on so looks like they all live together.

I'm presuming she failed to realise that 'all the young ones' referred to the younger ones among the OP's colleagues' children between 18 and 25, not 'all the young ones in the country'.

Anyway, YANBU OP.

I don't know why people disbelieve the fake ID cards. Fake student cards have been available at a price from various enterprising people for as long as I can remember. I remember in the early 1970s that it was very easy to buy a fake student card so you could use it to get a discount on travel, etc. (Disclaimer - I never did but it would have been easy to get one). Obviously, if there is a market for it someone will make them.

@HeddaGarbled

I had a colleague who was an ex police detective. When people came out with ‘shocking’ stories at work she used to ask questions, but not in an aggressive way, as if she was trying to understand more.

e.g. “students are faking ID badges.....”

“Gosh, how dreadful, how do they do that then? And where do they get the blank cards? And how would they get the photo on? And do they look genuine?” etc etc until it becomes pretty obvious that it was a load of nonsense. Amazing the lies people will come up with for the sake of a good froth-inducing story.

Yip

YABU

We can't all stay inside for under 1% of the population.

@Andover3

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8915591/Britain-locks-Pubs-kick-drinkers-final-time-national-shutdown.html#article-8915591

Young people are fast becoming the problem and cause of this virus spreading.
Photos from tonight...

In fairness, it's not just young people

My neighbour (elderly but in good health) has had a number of visitors to his house

But, back to OP, I don't blame her for being frustrated with her colleague's children. In her shoes, I'd be tempted to say "I'm not naive, I know some people are not following the rules, but I don't want to hear about it".