AIBU to feel upset by what I’m hearing?

[Capamile]

Sorry another covid related question.
People have probably had enough of this subject but just after opinions and thoughts really as finding it difficult to be biased.
My cousin died of covid aged 52 and had no other health issues, was fit and ate healthily.
Also, bro in law has covid and has been really poorly and in hospital (he’s 33 and again has no health issues).
I work in a very small company and a lot of my colleagues have been chatting about their kids going out although they’re currently under tier 2.
They’ve said their kids ranging from 18-25 have still been meeting friends and we’re talking about how all the young ones have been getting around the tier 2 rules by getting fake student ID cards made with same address on so looks like they all live together.
AIBU to think this is selfish and part of the reason we are going in lockdown tomorrow?
I don’t understand it’s difficult for young people (only 31 myself) and mental health is important but these live at home with their parents so aren’t living alone.
Their parents don’t see anything wrong with what they’re doing but I just feel it’s irresponsible personally.

@Souldyurr

Enough, you are now just being really nasty. Stating that the op is trying to incite hatred of a group

Nowhere does she do that, she discusses a conversation she was having,

If you can’t say anything nice to someone who has family members ill and dead because of Covid, and understandably has concerns about a conversation she took part them then don’t say anything at all

And let’s hope no member of your family ever get it or die from it, because it doesn’t look like there will be any compassion from you

@Souldyurr

Well I don’t believe you are a teacher .

Because otherwise you would be able to read the post and comprehend that the poster is not even doing what you are accusing them of .

The reason we are where we are is that all sections of society have been bending the rules, not socially distancing etc.
sorry to hear of all your losses

[quote Unsure33]**@Souldyurr

Well I don’t believe you are a teacher .

Because otherwise you would be able to read the post and comprehend that the poster is not even doing what you are accusing them of .[/quote]
No fucking way is she a teacher 😂

@Souldyurr get a hobby. And a life

@HeddaGarbled

If all these students are so proficient at making plausible ID cards, they’re wasting their times on degrees: they could be making a fortune turning out fraudulent IDs. Come on now, OP, this is clearly nonsense.

Definitely not nonsense - unless both colleagues inexplicably lying to each other to wind me and another colleague up!

[quote Chloemol]@Souldyurr

Enough, you are now just being really nasty. Stating that the op is trying to incite hatred of a group

Nowhere does she do that, she discusses a conversation she was having,

If you can’t say anything nice to someone who has family members ill and dead because of Covid, and understandably has concerns about a conversation she took part them then don’t say anything at all

And let’s hope no member of your family ever get it or die from it, because it doesn’t look like there will be any compassion from you[/quote]
She's asked AIBU but everyone is supposed to agree with her, even though she's doing something very wrong? Ok, I'll remember that in future.
Family members of mine have died - I don't get to walk around blaming vulnerable groups in society. OP clearly states that she thinks all young people are breaking Covid rules and then some nonsense that doesn't make sense that she keeps changing about fake ID. That's ridiculous and wrong.
I'm sorry for her loss, I've said she's NBU in respect to her colleagues - but it is, and always will be, wrong to blame one group for something they haven't done for no reason and on no evidence.

I know after the first lockdown a lot of my students (age 11-16) were saying how many people they seen and how they had sleepovers at their friends houses.
So the school was closed to most students but they were still mixing just as much which was really frustrating to hear as the parents are supposed to be setting an example of following the rules etc.

[quote Unsure33]@Souldyurr

Well I don’t believe you are a teacher .

Because otherwise you would be able to read the post and comprehend that the poster is not even doing what you are accusing them of .[/quote]
I literally quoted it. I quoted exactly word for word what she said. I'm sorry that to me, and teacher, words mean the words that they mean. If OP means different words then she's had multiple opportunities to clarify and yet, she's chosen not to.

@Souldyurr
Just to highlight your comment below as well as you don’t seem to understand despite being a teacher?!
You stated ‘’Not to mention, these people don't appear to be breaking the rules. You're allowed to go out to pubs.’’

You’re actually not allowed to pubs under our area’s tier 2 rules if in groups of mixed households (eg: a friend can’t meet another friend in the pub - hence reason for my OP!)

I’ll add to this thread that our sixth formers have been having massive parties and not properly self isolating. So I can well imagine there are groups of irresponsible young people faking addresses to hang out.

They are being given such a mixed message and parents aren’t helping by not enforcing the rules. We’ve closed the entire country so young people can get an education. They need to start taking some responsibility for their actions.

@Souldyurr
You copied and pasted missing a vital word THEY to suit your accusatory narrative.

[quote Capamile]@Souldyurr
You copied and pasted missing a vital word THEY to suit your accusatory narrative.[/quote]
That word doesn't change anything at all. What do you think it changes? I can't really understand how you think all young people are breaking the rules? I can't comprehend how you think that's true.

@Souldyurr

I forgot that this is Mumsnet, anti-men, anti-young, and pro-bigot. you forgot anti-trollish arsehole.

Fuck me Souldyurr, this is bloody painful to watch. Why don't you give up the cross examination?

She's not in a court of law you know

Well I'm in tier 3 and have been meeting a group of friends in an indoor cafe on a regular basis. We are never the only group in the cafe either. No id was requested. I would say it's middle aged, middle class white women who are to blame... Or maybe just trying to protect our mental health? Just get on with your life and let others get on with theirs.

well, this thread is going really well isn't it ? can't believe some of the crap being written by some posters.

PS sorry if that sounds harsh, especially when you are bereaved. But I don't think accusing a whole section of society is the answer

@Souldyurr Jesus what’s the matter with you?

I have re-read Capamile's original post several times over, and nowhere can I find anything she's written that could be construed as inciting hatred of young people. Nor can I see her having written anywhere that she blames "all young people for Covid by accusing all young people of breaking the rules."

Capamile: I'm sorry for your loss, and I hope that your brother in law makes a full recovery. I too would feel upset if I heard people talking openly about how they, or their relatives and friends, were flouting the rules. Yes, it's horrible that we're going into another lockdown, but we've seen how well these measures have worked in other countries when people adhere to the measures put in place. Sadly, there seem to be a lot of people (I'm including all demographics in this statement) who go by the mantra of 'me, myself and I' instead of seeing the bigger picture and pulling together for the good of everyone.

@Souldyurr “everyone has lost someone to Covid”?

No they haven’t. I don’t even know anyone who has been in hospital with it. Not one person.

Doesn’t mean I can’t show compassion to those who have lost someone. I can’t imagine how horrific that must be and how hard it must be to hear others being so blasé about it.

I think it’s your head that needs wobbling .

@Souldyurr

Student cards don't even have your address on - why would they!? Sounds to me like you've come on here to bash students and young people just to blame young people for everything. Unless you actually have proof of something rather than "I've just assumed an entire demographic are arseholes based on absolutely nothing and something I made up" maybe you should give your head a wobble.

given the subject matter of op having a relative who has died from covid, this poster continues to antagonize other posters and is generally being nasty.

@Souldyurr are you always desperate to ‘win’ an argument?
You’re posts are increasingly argumentative and childish so I can understand why others on this thread don’t want to believe that you’re a teacher.

If you want others to listen to you and consider the situation from your point of view, you have to listen and understand theirs first.

YANBU

Right, this person clearly hasn’t read my OP correctly
I put
They’ve said their kids ranging from 18-25 have still been meeting friends and we’re talking about how all the young ones have been getting around the tier 2 rules by getting fake student ID cards made with same address on so looks like they all live together.

they meaning colleagues

AIBU to think this is selfish and part of the reason we are going in lockdown tomorrow?
part of the reason, never said it WAS the whole reason

I don’t understand it’s difficult for young people (only 31 myself) and mental health is important but these live at home with their parents so aren’t living alone.
Their parents don’t see anything wrong with what they’re doing but I just feel it’s irresponsible personally.
specifically talking about colleagues and their kids here as put THESE

Thanks to those who sympathised and those who shared their stories xx

@Babyroobs

I have a 19 year old son who has still been going out quite a bit and I've asked him not to, especially as my dh ( his dad) is at risk and severely asthmatic. It's hard when they ignore you anyway. I'm sorry for your losses op.

My father had chronic asthma and emphysema so I understand the daily struggle and the Covid risks very well. Personally I would tell my son to live somewhere else for the duration of Covid if he wasn't doing his absolute best to protect his father.