To think people will expect fireworks to be let off on bonfire night.

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Bought a few fireworks for Thursday night. Mainly garden type fireworks, not rockets. Meant to be lower noise.

We live in fairly large village and it’s been said that many dogs, cats, horses etc don’t like them and people have complained about them being let off.

Aibu to think people should expect them on actual bonfire night though?

I get that they are annoying on other nights other than bonfire night.. I do think that people should try and just do them on 5th November or NYE and proper advertised displays.

Don’t want to upset my neighbours!

I can’t quite believe the vitriol and extremity of this thread. I’m absolutely gutted that our local fireworks display isn’t happening this year - it’s a highlight of the year for me and my children and one of the things that makes me feel sheer, simple joy. We planned to get some garden fireworks but hadn’t got round to buying any so will have to stick to a bonfire and sparklers - I’m really hoping some of our neighbours will have some so we don’t miss out altogether.
Of course people need to be careful, but the rage and bitterness against people daring to suggest one bit of pleasure in a grim year (and ensuring that we don’t lose everything that differentiates one day from another this year) is so bleak that I can’t quite get my head around it.

@Minty82

I can’t quite believe the vitriol and extremity of this thread. I’m absolutely gutted that our local fireworks display isn’t happening this year - it’s a highlight of the year for me and my children and one of the things that makes me feel sheer, simple joy. We planned to get some garden fireworks but hadn’t got round to buying any so will have to stick to a bonfire and sparklers - I’m really hoping some of our neighbours will have some so we don’t miss out altogether. Of course people need to be careful, but the rage and bitterness against people daring to suggest one bit of pleasure in a grim year (and ensuring that we don’t lose everything that differentiates one day from another this year) is so bleak that I can’t quite get my head around it.

I agree - disagreement levels are turned up to insane. Plenty of things my neighbours do piss me off but there comes a point where you have to get some perspective. I don't think clamouring to ban things is that healthy either - unless we could do some really heavy enforcement (unlikely) all banning fireworks will do is ensure the same scrotes who fuck about with them now will carry on.

I'd quite like a ban on keeping cats as domestic pets - there is absolutely no need for them. But I realise some weird people enjoy having them.

I don't think clamouring to ban things is that healthy either
Being in favour of better regulation isn't unhealthy banning though. If someone has a licence and has approval to let fireworks off in their garden on a given day because the space is safe them surely that's fine. After all, surely all these safe and responsible at home pyrotechnic experts would have no problem getting it signed off?

Something tells me though that most of them want to continue sales to the general public because they know their garden isn't big enough to do displays safely and they know there isn't a safe distance between their fireworks and other people's houses.

Of course people need to be careful, but the rage and bitterness against people daring to suggest one bit of pleasure in a grim year (and ensuring that we don’t lose everything that differentiates one day from another this year) is so bleak that I can’t quite get my head around it
It's disappointing proper, safe, organised displays can't go ahead.
I don't see why people should be accused of being bitter for not being in favour of unlimited at home fireworks displays that are.
There seems to be a trend at the moment for people playing the 'it's been a terrible year and anyone who challenges me is trying to ruin the last shard of happiness' card.
If someone's misery is genuinely at a point where the only thing making them feel happy is letting off explosives in their back garden then they need to speak to someone professional because they aren't in a good place.

I’m not suggesting there should be no regulation. Neither am I saying that fireworks are the only thing between me and the cliff edge. And I do see the annoyance when it spreads over several weeks. What I am saying is that to me, and I would have thought to most people, fireworks on one night a year, when safely handled, are a seasonal, traditional source of huge enjoyment and that I’m slightly startled to find so many people appalled by the concept.

I'd be happy with them being loads more expensive.
I'd be happy with us saying silent ones only.
I think a ban would be too far.
As for licensing them for home use - that would be far too difficult IMHO - we don't have enough Police in any case so flip knows where we'd get people to issue licences etc

Minty82
I don't think most people are objecting to safe and reasonable use. A good number of gardens though aren't big enough for safe, reasonable use for anything more than very small fireworks (and based on my area this week most of them are not the small ones that have a minimum of 8-15m distance).

I didn't mean you're on a cliff edge, sorry. I'm just finding the regular 'but it's been a terrible year'card seems to come up a lot to justify things that are unreasonable and antisocial.

And I do see the annoyance when it spreads over several weeks. What I am saying is that to me, and I would have thought to most people, fireworks on one night a year, when safely handled, are a seasonal, traditional source of huge enjoyment and that I’m slightly startled to find so many people appalled by the concept.

I'm appalled by the total disregard for the law that has stood for 14 years regarding letting off fireworks near livestock, with the reasoning behind it being "Because I want to" it is illegal to set them off near livestock and cause distress. For previous years it's increasingly not just been one night, it's numerous nights. One night we can plan for and deal with. Willing to live and let live, despite the law. But it has a very real impact when it's random and unpredictable, and it is extremely frustrating to see justification for this and not just breaking the law but the fear, suffering and financial impact of someone else's tradition upholding fun. As a whole our yard has asked, pointed out that it's actually illegal, asked for warning and tried to discuss and just been met with shrugged shoulders and the attitude I can do what I want. So the only option left is to report it, not just at other times because it's illegal but tonight too, because it is illegal to set them off where they are. Had there been the slightest bit of cooperation then tonight as other years, on bonfire night itself, I'd have sedated the horses and stood firewatch like we usually do, I've had enough. Why should I care about someone's 'need' to let off fireworks and live and let live when faced with that attitude?
The debris landing in our fields and on the stable and barn rooves is not safe handling, firing them over stables where horses are contained is not safe handling.
I'm appalled that so many people have the attitude it's ok and anyone it affects negatively is just a killjoy and deserves what they get be that physical, mental or financial concequences, because some people are scared of dogs. It doesn't just affect dogs. But people do see their right to enjoyment as above anything else at all, yet are expecting the people negatively affected to respect their right to have a bit of fun, while not showing the slightest bit of respect or consideration themselves.

That's why imo, there needs to be stricter controls. It's not a God given right to let off fireworks.

And that's before you get to them getting into what most people consider the wrong hands who use them as a weapon, and the strain that and genuine accidents out on what was already a struggling set of services, even before covid.

It's not just on bonfire night though, is it? It will happen at the weekend and after and has been going on all week for many people. I'm sure that's why people are so up in arms about it all and want these dangerous things restricted to organised displays.

I don't understand the appeal myself. We have a shitshow of a government and here we are, burning effigies of the man with the plan. I don't celebrate, we need a replacement PDQ.

The world isn’t generally arranged for any particular person’s comfort and convenience. It’s all give and take. Some people find other people’s pets, other people’s bbqs, other people’s children, cyclists sharing the road, neighbors parties etc. an annoyance. We don’t outright ban those things. We put up with a little discomfort and inconvenience from time to time. And we expect others engaging in those things to be responsible, thoughtful and not excessive.

Fireworks on the 5th of November falls into this category for me.

@Puffalicious

*Surely, ultimately it come down to this. There are some things we ban and some we don't - it's not an all or nothing scenario and never will be. We, as a society, ultimately get to decide what makes the banned list and what doesn't.

Enough people want them banned = off they go

Enough want to keep them = here they stay*

Exactly this.

I'll be doing fireworks tomorrow night with 3DC- one with SEN- and the neighbour's little ones will.watch from the window. As will many others. You have no right to call any of us 'idiots' for exercising our preference. People are so precious it's ridiculous. Earphones, people!

I didn't see your post critiquing spelling but you've had your arse handed to you for that rudeness, by Jakie7700 so good enough.

Back to your post though. Animals can't wear headphones. Many children and adults with SEN can't either. Neither animals nor people have fireproof skin to protect them against idiots - and let me say it louder for you, the IDIOTS who think they are equipped to handle fireworks and who cause injury to themselves and sadly, others - and untold damage to buildings and cars.

I think people like you are playing right into the 'want them banned' hands so crack on. The more numpties who 'push the envelope' with so little disregard for others, the quicker that ban happens. Good!

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe

It's not just on bonfire night though, is it? It will happen at the weekend and after and has been going on all week for many people. I'm sure that's why people are so up in arms about it all and want these dangerous things restricted to organised displays.

I don't understand the appeal myself. We have a shitshow of a government and here we are, burning effigies of the man with the plan. I don't celebrate, we need a replacement PDQ.

I celebrate November 5th because Guy was the last honest man to enter parliament (hence the user name). No burning of his effigy on my bonfire, but I can think of a few I might chuck on there if I had the time to make some

EmpressoftheMundane
I don't consider over a week of loud, powerful fireworks in residential areas to be a minor annoyance.

I have no issue at all with safe, organised displays and I'm more than happy with safe, reasonable use in private gardens (small fireworks where they are let off in appropriate conditions, not at antisocial hours, not for long periods, they're a safe and reasonable distance from other properties), although I would like sales restricted.

So much of what is going on are not safe and reasonable displays though and I don't see why people should have to tolerate what is reckless and antisocial behaviour just because a few people want some big bangs.

Let me know if you need some extra wood there, GuyFawkesHadTheRightIdea. I'll bring marshmallows too...

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe cheers, I'll bear that in mind

We’re driving back from the local RSPB place, so about 12 miles, I’d guess.

We’ve seen 3 ambulances already.

Can't wait for them to be banned for private use.

Happy Bonfire Night you fellow crazy risk taking, baby waking, puppy hating, Trump supporting Hellions! 🎆

Jakie7700 you're a disgrace. I merely feel sympathy for someone who is so het up over fireworks that they cast aspersions on a stranger's parenting. It's only because I'm the better person that I don't sink to your base level. There are plenty others on here pro- fireworks, go insult someone else.

Reported.

My main issue with the private sale of fireworks is because idiots buy them who don't know how to use them and end up injuring people or setting fire to things. The last thing idiots need is explosives.

Some pets handle fireworks badly, others don't. Best you can do is try training your pet to be OK with it or sedate them. As people have said, pets can be afraid of other things like hoovers. My cat hates hoovers, hair dryers and the bin lorry. But I'm not going to stop using them or tell the bin men not to come round.

Please do not feel sympathy for me love. Feel sympathy for all of those animals and people your fun fireworks will cause upset too.

You are the one that seems to think it's ok to be disgusting and try and embarrass someone due to their lack of grammar or spelling so it's ok to shame someone for that but not ok for me to have a opinion and state I feel sorry for your children that you as a parent do not feel the need to show them that fireworks can be extremely dangerous during a pandemic and terrorise people and animals.

And I repeat anyone on here that thinks fireworks are ok especially at the moment is just as bad as you I am not singling you out.

My children are taught all about safety- my DH is the one coordinating it all very safely ( safety glasses/ sand/ large garden so he's 20 metres away). There's millions of fireworks in our local area tonight, including a few streets away holding a communal display.

Go away. Finally, I'm not your love.

@Puffalicious
Go away haha you are the one that started with trying to shame someone over lack of spelling and grammar not me. If you as a parent feel that is ok then yes you are a bad parent. For all you know I have a learning disability so is that ok as a human being to take the piss? And then when I say you are a bad parent as your behaviour will be passed on to your children you get your knickers in a twist and report total joke.

Yeah well if everyone else is doing it of course it's fine. Why don't you go away don't you have fireworks to light 20m away.

How are fireworks still legal in the uk, so many injuries every year go to a&e caused by them.