to tell people that you can go for walks in the countryside which is lovely

[chomalungma]

But the pubs will be shut so you can't get a lovely lunch whilst out

So it's going to be pack lunches again.

At least this time there won't be people complaining about people exercising in the Peak District like last time!

I stand by my original statement. You’re being short-sighted and petty.

And you’re being hysterical. Oh well.

Wow. Is this your approach to all of the “guidelines”? I assume this means you will continue to meet all of your friends in large groups, invite the family over for lunch, refuse to wear a mask at the shop.

@Qwertywerty3

I think there are laws about those - actual leglisation

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/contents/made

Requirement to wear a face covering whilst entering or remaining within a relevant place
3.—(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.

So that's actual law.

You can tell me but it doesn’t mean I want to go. I’m fortunate and live in a rural area but fuck it I’m so fed up of bloody nature. At least in the spring the birds and quiet was a novelty.
Now just wet muddy fields and bare trees oh what fun.

@BitOfFun

Thanks. The North West is lovely. I'm on the other side of the Pennines.

@flaviaritt

I stand by my original statement. You’re being short-sighted and petty.

And you’re being hysterical. Oh well.

😂😂😂 no I’m not - I’m pointing out how ridiculous it is to complain you’re not welcomed with open arms in the middle of a pandemic! So much so that you’re going to boycott the places you previously loved because they rely on tourists so that’ll show them!

I hope the general population achieves sufficient understanding that nobody is servile enough to think understanding the difference between law and guidance is seeking loopholes.

Indeed you’re right - but it doesn’t even matter, does it? I think both the law and the guidance are pretty clear - outdoor recreation is both permitted and encouraged. I don’t even think anyone is seeking any ‘loopholes’.

I think it’s just that the flapping panickers who love to have an excuse to make up rules and to tell other people what to do are upset that this particular stick has been taken away from them, that’s all.

The leglisation for the exceptions for Tier 2 at the moment is fascinating - if you read the leglisation

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1104/schedule/1

There is an exception for Remembrance Sunday. I wonder if that will be in the new leglisation.

@Buddytheelf85

I hope the general population achieves sufficient understanding that nobody is servile enough to think understanding the difference between law and guidance is seeking loopholes.

Indeed you’re right - but it doesn’t even matter, does it? I think both the law and the guidance are pretty clear - outdoor recreation is both permitted and encouraged. I don’t even think anyone is seeking any ‘loopholes’.

I think it’s just that the flapping panickers who love to have an excuse to make up rules and to tell other people what to do are upset that this particular stick has been taken away from them, that’s all.

I'm afraid you may very well be correct.

Because @Orcus in the examples given none of those people were simply present on a public right of way. It read as though you were defending the rights of townie fuckwits to behave as they please.

@TrainspottingWelsh

Because *@Orcus* in the examples given none of those people were simply present on a public right of way. It read as though you were defending the rights of townie fuckwits to behave as they please.

No it didn't. The only right that was mentioned was the right to be present.

@Nettleskeins

The minute you persuade people that they are morally wrong to use public transport for evercise purposes, you INCREASE the number of cars on the road. It is a scandal.

Richer people have cars, they drive past the poor people walking on busy roads to their muddy over used patch of urban dereliction, to naice countryside, or big country parks. And the poor people get accused of taking up too much space, littering, daring to talk to others or sit on benches, use playgrounds local to them.

Ok, the rules have changed slightly, but I would like public transport for exercise to be encouraged if that is what it takes to improve people's lives.

A lot of people cannot walk or cycle to their local green space without negotiating horrendous traffic and pollution. Public transport is incredibly important

Bravo!

It's been our main entertainment since March as well. I can recommend forests as less muddy (pine needles/ leaves) and less wet.
Pre-teen still likes a run around and doesn't need much encouragement but teen requires a 'hook'. She likes taking endless photos and selfies of our trips and editing them into stories thereafter. The Halloween one was really terrifying.
Also had success with zombie run app. We walked until the zombies chased us then ran for a bit. They were even willing to do that in the pissing rain.
Otherwise there's a limit to how many movies can be watched, books read and items baked.

@MarieVanGoethem

The ^Running Past* blog came up once when I was googling the history of our street and I found some really interesting details I hadn't seen elsewhere.

It's funny you should mention the stretcher fences, I did not know about them until someone told me of their existence a few days ago.

@ScribblingPixie

This is the book I have, the latest edition by Jim Watson. It's not very detailed but very user friendly -

www.londons-secrets.com/books-guides-london/view/52#.X58raIiQGrV

Also if you haven't read it you might enjoy London : a travel guide through time by Matthew Green. He uses sites in the modern history as a portal for walks in various different ages. The chapter about the plague is particularly relevant right now!

Haven't RTFT but in terms of traveling to go for exercise it says:

You should avoid travelling in or out of your local area, and you should look to reduce the number of journeys you make. However you can and should still travel for a number of reasons, including:
exercise, if you need to make a short journey to do so.

So short journeys are fine.

Sites in the modern city, that should say!

Also sorry for formatting fail with ^Running Past* I think I have the heating up too high.

When the examples were of people on private land they had no right to be on, and you defended their right to be present it did indeed read that way to me, even if you didn't intend it to.

@TrainspottingWelsh

When the examples were of people on private land they had no right to be on, and you defended their right to be present it did indeed read that way to me, even if you didn't intend it to.

The post I quoted included examples of both public and private land actually, and I said people had the same right to be present in the locality as the poster herself. Who did not say anything about owning the private land in question.

Thank you, @InkPaperStars! I've ordered a second-hand copy of the Matthew Green - the chapter on the plague and also the one on the Blitz really appeal & should certainly lend some perspective. I live on a bomb site actually - we found quite a lot of glass fragments when we first dug the garden.

It's probably a rural thing Orcus Whether we own the land or not, we all watch out for our neighbours, and in some cases have permission to be on each other's property. Also in the absence of concrete amenities, we can also see land beyond our own properties or public rights of way.

Eg a neighbour that lost the one advantage of being elderly, disabled and shielded in an isolated area when deserted footpaths became like high streets over lockdown. I wasn't the only person to offer him private land so he and his dog could exercise safely. Oddly enough the same type of person whom is completely forgotten about when people are keen to promote what a lovely idea it is for people to swarm the countryside.

Boris should have made it clearer with regard to travelling for exercise.
I recall, last time, of families from Kent travelling to The Lake District , for their " daily exercise."

People, during lockdown, do not need to travel for half an hour , in a car, to get their daily exercise.
However, , Boris hasn't specified, so anyone could drive anywhere to get their "daily exercise."

This thread has shown how country folk clearly despise urbanites trespassing "their" land. It's so sad as the countryside is for everyone.

I appreciate that a minority of urbanites have made it difficult for country dwellers with regard to unlawful trespass, bad parking and litter but they are a minority.

I know how difficult it has been as there is a small wooded riverside walk , behind our house, that became overrun with folk that I'd never encountered before while I walked my dog... to the point where these 'strangers' looked at me as though I was a leper. I or my husband do this walk every day, twice a day.
We don't live in the countryside, we live on a housing estate on the edge of a large county town, yet we did feel a bit threatened by people who felt that they had a right to walk along this path and it felt like we shouldn't be out walking with a wild ( golden retriever) beast!
My point being that , even locals, who can usually not be arsed to venture out, will again venture out and tut loudly , as they did last time.
They will most likely be vocal about pubs, toilets and cafes being shut and be annoyed that that people walk their dogs/ride their horses /wear wellies in their presence.

You get to know the regulars on your walk but these " daily exercise" folk really felt entitled.
Funny how their daily exercise stopped when lockdown stopped. Never saw most of them again. Looking forward to seeing them again on Thursday , in the wind and rain!

@Inkpaperstars
Running Past really is absolutely exemplary local history. I loved the stuff they did on Lewisham’s women’s suffrage campaigners in 2018 to celebrate Vote 100 - & their stuff on the Chiltonian biscuit company was really nice to read as my granny used to tell me about them when I was wee I was absolutely cheated I tell you, am certain that I was deprived of many biscuits in my childhood as a result of walking past an industrial estate on my way to & from school rather than a factory where one could not simply purchase biscuits BUT BAGS OF BROKEN ONES. The stretcher fences are an amazing mix of upcycling & incredibly poignant history. You’ve probably read lots of them have fallen into disrepair, but a couple of Councils have undertaken to preserve them. I find them (& feel free to laugh) a reassuring reminder of how resilient the city (& its inhabitants) can be; how good humans can [choose to] be to each other; & that good things can come out of/after even truly awful times.

@ScribblingPixie
We used to find lots of bits of Results Of Bomb Damage (nothing gruesome) in our garden when I was wee - think it’s finally all dug out now. My granddad was a builder & used to collect the Roman pottery fragments he found at work - in a time when this wasn’t considered anything other than eccentric by his colleagues, obviously: he read up as much as he could on them as well, plus the general history of Roman London. He was fascinated by - & read huge amounts of - history: he loved getting to literally explore layers of London’s past as he worked.

@chomalungma

But the pubs will be shut so you can't get a lovely lunch whilst out

So it's going to be pack lunches again.

At least this time there won't be people complaining about people exercising in the Peak District like last time!

What is a pack lunch?

What is a pack lunch

It's a pack up.

We're fully Welly booted and wet weather clothes have been invested in for all the family. We're lucky we live on the edge of s town so we can do countryside or paths but the daily walk has stayed with us. I will be taking longer lunches to enjoy the light during winter.

We've also got thermos mugs for the essential hot drinks on the go.