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To contribute towards DH car debt

121 replies

HoHoHoOhNo · 29/10/2020 18:33

So long story but before I start I admit I am basically scared to death of finances. Two sisters, one got mega into debt young and spent years clearing a black mark, the other married, moved into his home, committed to being a SAHM then lost everything when they divorced and ended up on every benefit imaginable. So be gentle, I tie myself up in knots about debt and stuff.

So been with DH for nearly 20 years, married only a few. We have a three year old and a 10mo. Historically he's been rather blasé about money, he will always pay with a cc and pay off what he can. The most debt I've known is about 8k due to car purchases and such but its usually between 1-3k To his credit, twice he's paid the full lot off over a course of years and then something else crops up and it starts again. Me on the other hand have five months of bills put away and and rather frugle with money. We have separate accounts, he pays half mortgage, half childcare, the food bills, I pay the same halves and all the utilities. I generally pay for all presents, kids stuff and christmas as he generally is strapped for cash once paying off lumps of his card each month. We earn exactly the same take home wage although I earn it in only three days part time. He is not a big spender, neither of us are very social (!) his money is spent on the occasional box of nice wine, maybe a football match or a new tshirt, but he's not flashy with money.
Two years ago he had cleared his debt and then admittedly had to buy a new car for ds2. The car he brought on a zero interest cc for fixed term. Admittedly it wasn't the most practical car, it fits the kids and a buggy so useless for a b&q run but it's his and it ticked a box. It means now we're back to square one. I am currently on mat leave returning to work in the new year. I'd love a third baby in a couple of years, we'd love a loft extension for space, but based on his plan to clear his card in three years he has very, very little disposable income so no baby, no loft.

So, should I contribute to paying this debt when I return to work instead of attempting to save? My fear is that I become a bank thay intervenes every so often at my expense. A sad thing to fear I know, but I am literally terrified of debt or being shafted by ANYONE that I can't think rationally about money.

The last three years BTW my savings were spent in paying for my extended time off on maternity (I get peanuts through work) he did not contribute to this.

Be gentle please

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Happygogoat · 29/10/2020 21:52

Also if "he" bought the car that you needed because you both had a kid, then I'd say it's a family car and the debt is shared so yes you should contribute. But then again your mat leave expenses should have been shared too....

HoHoHoOhNo · 29/10/2020 21:55

I feel he's blasé because if I for example wanted a new kitchen (we did a few years ago) I would save. He would buy and then pay off because he would want it right away.

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HoHoHoOhNo · 29/10/2020 21:56

I apologise if I'm not clear I'm not deliberately drip feeding but it would have been a monstrous opening post

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HoHoHoOhNo · 29/10/2020 21:59

I agree we have very different attitudes to money. I won't buy anything I can't buy outright (minus my house!)

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Waveysnail · 29/10/2020 21:59

Do you talk to each other about money? You seem to have very separate finances. Me and dh dont have joint accounts but we do combine finances.

We have account for bills/every single outgoing that we both put money into with also online savers for different expenses that also pay out of this account. We have joint savings and individual savings. Any debt we decide together as joint debt. So car would come under joint debt that we pay out of the bill money pot. We both are left with same spending money. DH doesnt have credit cards and all large purchases are discussed and we check spreadsheet we keep to see if affordable.

SBTLove · 29/10/2020 22:05

OP
you’re really not getting the mat leave thing at all, you say well he was still paying 50%, he didn’t have a drop in income!!
Any man that lets his wife save so she can have HIS child and still expects her to cough up 50% is a selfish prick.
I’m assuming you are both late 30s at least? you both sound naive and immature.
terrified of finances do you mean debt or you’re scared to discuss them?

Ikeameatballs · 29/10/2020 22:06

I’m not sure that the buying it now and paying it off is necessarily worse than the saving up for something? Some people are rubbish savers but would never miss a payment on a loan/cc. I’d be be worried if he was never paying debt off or missing payments but that’s not what you describe.

As to the overall fairness of your finances I’d agree with pp, if you earn the same then pay the same amount of your income into a joint account and all agreed joint expenses come out of that.

HoHoHoOhNo · 29/10/2020 22:07

Yes I suspect we need to have a more honest chat about it all, I have obviously been quite niave although I am not sure he has done anything malicious either. He does contribute so Im not accusing him of not, it's the car that has tipped it tbh. and the fact that we aren't getting any younger if we decide to extend our family and our home it kind of needs to be soon. I think I will try to figure out my finances properly and then have a chat with him when I return to work and the kids aren't under our feet (247 atm!!) when perhaps we can have an honest conversation.

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HoHoHoOhNo · 29/10/2020 22:09

@SBTLove I wouldn't say immature, thanks.
Debt scared

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SBTLove · 29/10/2020 22:10

Why wait to have a chat? I’m sure your kids sleep, do a spreadsheet of income and expenditure and discuss how it needs to be shared and fair, that he needs to contribute more until you’re back on a full wage, I cannot fathom you thinking this is ok.
Are you earning similar amounts?

HoHoHoOhNo · 29/10/2020 22:11

Yes as I said, we earn the same take home, albeit I am part time. I will up back to four days a week or full time when the kids are older

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HoHoHoOhNo · 29/10/2020 22:12

To be fair him contributing more now means that the card takes longer to clear

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Cocomarine · 29/10/2020 22:12

It’s not “wrong” to want a kitchen, and decide you don’t want to wait, do it on credit and pay it off.

Or a car.

It’s not what I regularly do - though I have, especially cars when I was younger and I needed a reliable car for work, and needed it immediately. 20 years later and a good salary and savings, and I always pay up front.

Credit is a personal decision. You made the decision yourself, re a mortgage. Sometimes, credit makes sense.

Like I said previously - you’ve been with him twenty years. You know this isn’t the start of a feckless slide into unrepayable debt.

This is your issue.

My husband and I wouldn’t dream of telling each other how to pay for things.

He hasn’t even asked you to pay towards it! Back off.

(But: don’t fund another maternity leave yourself, and stop letting him contribute less, to service his debts)

HoHoHoOhNo · 29/10/2020 22:12

And I mean that in the respect that I return to work in the new year

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Arrivederla · 29/10/2020 22:21

You have been together for 20 years and yet you seem to have zero communication!! Why aren't you talking about funding mat leave, what car to buy...?

InTheLongGrass · 29/10/2020 22:22

It's obviously a very different system to the way you opperate, but I would pay off the debt, because it is accruing interest that you dont need to pay (unless it's on a 0% interest card!). So, overall we would be better off clearing the debt, and redirecting the interest payment back into savings. HOWEVER if that will just free him up to start accruing more debt, it might not be wise.

LannieDuck · 29/10/2020 22:39

What strikes me is that having children hasn't impacted on his job (or expenses) one little bit. You've:

  • Taken a career break of a year (did he ever consider parental leave?)
  • Self-financed your regular contribution during mat leave (so he didn't have to contribute)
  • Dropped to 3 days/wk to do 2 days/wk childcare (did he ever consider doing that?)

...what has he done to contribute to raising a family?

I know it's not quite what you asked in your post. But I would be much happier contributing to his expenses if he contributed to the wellbeing of the family in a meaningful way also. From what I can tell, he hasn't.

Wanderlust2020 · 29/10/2020 22:48

He's your husband. Isn't your money his money and vice versa?

HairyToity · 29/10/2020 22:55

I was the one who got into debt, and my DH baled me out. I was very grateful he helped me out. You need to be open and honest and work as a team.

You are right to save up for things, I know that now, having got into debt.

ThePants999 · 29/10/2020 23:08

If you still contributed 50% to household expenditure while on maternity leave, then tot up what nursery would have cost over the year - he owes you half of that already, since that's what he would have paid if you'd said "you want me to pay the same while on maternity as I did while working? Fuck that, I'm going back to work then"...

HerRoyalNotness · 29/10/2020 23:11

You’re already subsidising his car payments by paying these things:

I pay the same halves and all the utilities. I generally pay for all presents, kids stuff and christmas

Don’t double dip your salary and pay twice as much to help him with his debt. Especially as you’ve continued to pay your share on mat leave

Feelingconfused2020 · 30/10/2020 00:14

You pay for all the kids stuff? All the clothes, toys , outings, clubs, childcare etc? This is our main family expense..if we didn't have kids we would have solo much disposable income! You are on maternity leave. I can't get over this.

For your worry about him having a small.debt on an interest free cc yabu

If you think he should step up and pay for his own.kids and cover more than half during.your maternity leave yaNbu!

alliwanttodoiseatcarbs · 30/10/2020 00:46

Why would you put a car on a cc? Why didn't get get a loan?

He sounds stupid with money and you paying 50% while caring for the babies is fucking outrageous.

billy1966 · 30/10/2020 04:31

OP,

You are already in a bad situation financially but can't see it.

You saving for mat leave, paying 50% of bills while off, saving him childcare fees whilst he does the very least possible.

If you have an ounce of sense you will not have another child with him, you will not pay his debt off and you will contine to squirrel money away to protect yourself and your two children.

You are not sharing the load here, you are carrying him.

Do not take on his debt.

You are right to be nervous, 20 years and two children and he sounds like a house share, rather than the father of your two children.

You are at risk of him getting ye into debt because he is paying the very least he can get away with.

Definitely no prize.

He needs to be told to buck up and contribute more.

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KunekuneKristmasCake · 30/10/2020 04:41

Do not pay it