AIBU to think I'd rather take my chances with the virus...

[User3billion]

...than give up any more freedom?!

I'm in a tier 3 area and I'm so done. I'm sick of people in tier 1 areas preaching on social media about what we should and shouldn't be doing (especially given it can vary from one tier 3 area to the next). I'm sick of feeling like a prisoner in my own home. I'm sick of not being able to trust a single thing our government says.

I don't understand how we've got to a point in the UK, in 2020, where it's ILLEGAL to visit family we don't live with. And what's worse is that people are happy to go along with this! It's all kinds of wrong.

We deride other countries that deprive their citizens of their civil liberties and yet here we are.

Long covid is not the same as viral fatigue. Plenty of research is being done about the long term affects as they are very different. But obviously some posters want to just post generalisations as they are too lazy to do any research .

I know three women who have suffered crippling ME (or chronic fatigue syndrome) for at least ten years. ANOTHER with MS. All no doubt triggered by a virus. My hashimotos was probably triggered by an operation, or a virus, who knows?. Again crippling for the years it went undiagnosed and untreated, and put down to anxiety.

Do people give much attention to these conditions that affect peoples lives, their work, their.family situation. I just find it odd that long covid has the limelight so to speak in the media.

I agree OP, I’ve not read the entire thread, but I have been, and always been a bit shocked about the amount of people who are forgetting about ALL of the non-covid deaths. Not saying we should dismiss covid or long covid AT ALL. Horrendous. But cancer. Meningitis. Species. Random strokes. So many things that are just being left behind. This scared me more.

Ha it’s lockdown looney central on mumsnet OP! You do know that the only sad deaths are covid deaths. It’s like a religion for some people. Preaching bonkers stats, comparison with the Black Death. Mental health, unemployment, poverty, suicide, who cares! How selfish to care about anything but covid!

I know lots of people who have had it and said it wasn’t as bad as flu, I don’t know anyone who’s died from it, and I know people who have died from flu but there you go.

Follow the rules and the virus will get bored and give up don’t you know?

Sepsis not species 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Unsure33

Long covid is not the same as viral fatigue. Plenty of research is being done about the long term affects as they are very different. But obviously some posters want to just post generalisations as they are too lazy to do any research .

Are you lumping me in with this?

I specifically said that "long flu" was not "post-viral fatigue". Please read more carefully, or it will look as if you are too lazy to read the thread.

@gjejgej

It's really just standard post-viral fatigue which can arise from flu and many other illnesses.

But give it a fancy name and the masses will lap it up :)

That is just complete ignorance, which could only be spouted by someone who hasn't had or met anyone with Long Covid.

Part of my brother in laws Long Covid symptoms is multiple blood clots . He has had 3 strokes since April. It's a syndrome called sticky blood and by no means 'standard post viral fatigue'

You May find the restrictions required to protect the NHS becoming too busy to cope 'fake news' but have you not yet realised that flu season takes off in Dec/Jan EVERY YEAR - so you ain't seen nothing yet.

It is incumbent on EVERY member of the population to do EVERYTHING in their power keep themselves virus free to enable the health system to get through the winter.

Boredom has never cured a pandemic.

Just look at what is happening to Italy tonight ..

YABVU

@Nettleskeins

I know three women who have suffered crippling ME (or chronic fatigue syndrome) for at least ten years. ANOTHER with MS. All no doubt triggered by a virus. My hashimotos was probably triggered by an operation, or a virus, who knows?. Again crippling for the years it went undiagnosed and untreated, and put down to anxiety.

Do people give much attention to these conditions that affect peoples lives, their work, their.family situation. I just find it odd that long covid has the limelight so to speak in the media.

@Nettleskeins

Because they're trying to scare us. Obvious when you think about it.

Covid mortality rate is so low they needed something else to report on.

Curious how long-Covid only came along when deaths were down after the initial spike. Deaths may be reduced folks but here's this new thing called long-Covid! Be afraid!!!

And voila, the gullible have lapped it up.

If the media came out tomorrow and declared horse manure a miraculous Covid cure, you can rest assured a few on this thread would be down the local stables gorging themselves.

@Nettleskeins

I know three women who have suffered crippling ME (or chronic fatigue syndrome) for at least ten years. ANOTHER with MS. All no doubt triggered by a virus. My hashimotos was probably triggered by an operation, or a virus, who knows?. Again crippling for the years it went undiagnosed and untreated, and put down to anxiety.

Do people give much attention to these conditions that affect peoples lives, their work, their.family situation. I just find it odd that long covid has the limelight so to speak in the media.

Are you suggesting that MS gets no media coverage? Or ME /CFS?

The reason that coverage is so apparent right now is that it isn't any of these things which have been around for a while, and suddenly, 10s of thousands of people are presenting with bizarre and very significant symptoms. Surely that's not hard to grasp?

@Bailey0703

Hahaha it's always "my brother-in-law's second cousin twice removed has long Covid! You're so ignorant!".

These repetitive anecdotes really grow tiresome.

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*I know lots of people who have had it and said it wasn’t as bad as flu, I don’t know anyone who’s died from it, and I know people who have died from flu but there you go.
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You comment defies any form of logic.. As you rightly say, people die of flu .. flu season starts in November-Feb.. where the hell to you expect to put the thousands of flu patients the NHS cares for every year if every bloody bed is taken up with Covid patients ?

@Bailey0703

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*I know lots of people who have had it and said it wasn’t as bad as flu, I don’t know anyone who’s died from it, and I know people who have died from flu but there you go.
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You comment defies any form of logic.. As you rightly say, people die of flu .. flu season starts in November-Feb.. where the hell to you expect to put the thousands of flu patients the NHS cares for every year if every bloody bed is taken up with Covid patients ?

@Bailey0703

Increase capacity.

Genius isn't it?

@gjejgej

You are, unfortunately, completely right.

@gjejgej

Your statements are based on nothing and you're being enormously rude to people who are/know people who are ill.

And oddly, you seem to think you know everything, to a much greater degree than anybody else.

Tiresome indeed.

[quote gjejgej]@Bailey0703

Hahaha it's always "my brother-in-law's second cousin twice removed has long Covid! You're so ignorant!".

These repetitive anecdotes really grow tiresome.[/quote]
Your ignorance appears to be overwhelming your comprehension. I said my BIL - no cousins were mentioned.

I'm sorry the very real effect of this virus doesn't fit your bizarre narrative (or perhaps you are hoping to just 'wish it way ' with blunt optimism.. but sadly none of that has any basis in reality .

It really isn't surprising that we're in the mess we're on when you hear people so fixed on denying the facts, just because they haven't seen it first hand.

At first it was funny but now it's depressing that people can be so self obsessed that they would maintain this horrible situation just so they can maintain their misguided sense of intellectual superiority.

gjejgej

I'm sorry for the inconvenience of facts .

www.bbc.com/news/health-52662065

But I can almost guarantee you won't bother to read. I think you probably can't cope with inconvenient truths that don't fit with whatever strange theory you are espousing.

Isle of Man locked down

The people pulled together. Home deliveries sprung up.

PPE was made by engineers and college students at home

At John’s ambulance did medical trips delivering prescriptions

Everyone from the start returning was made to isolate for 2 weeks. Returnees were limited to a few a week.

Only residents were allowed back

Jail terms were handed out to people not following the rules as were fines.

Total lock down was 3 months.

Schools are back no social distancing, no masks, workers are back shops and offices are open.

Hand sanitizer is still in force as is regular hand washing.

People can leave but must isolate in return - they are checked on and must have a permanent address or hotel/self contained accommodation.

It’s possible IF people stick to the rules - and they clearly aren’t.

@tearstainedbakes

It really isn't surprising that we're in the mess we're on when you hear people so fixed on denying the facts, just because they haven't seen it first hand.

At first it was funny but now it's depressing that people can be so self obsessed that they would maintain this horrible situation just so they can maintain their misguided sense of intellectual superiority.

Well said . However I disagree with the intellectual superiority .. comments like the ones referred to make me think one thing.. 'as thick as pig shit' .. it brings to mind the sort of denial of reality that we see from Trumps 'core supporters' . and I couldn't argue with one of them because they will simply talk any old bollocks to convince themselves that some thing shit isn't shit.

Well, you might think it’ll all be fine- might be for you. Will it be the case for others you may come into contact with. People like healthcare staff, those who work in supermarkets, delivery workers etc who have to come into contact with people as part of their work. You seem to feel you should be able to put them at risk without any consideration.
Not to mention your friends and family- though at least they will be able to chose whether to socialise with you or not. It’s pretty selfish. Yes, it is crap. The situation is awful, the handling largely atrocious. Track and trace is laughable- it’s appalling that they’ve wasted an absolute fortune on it but yet it still does not deliver. Does this mean that restrictions are not required? I don’t think it does.

We know that a significant proportion of people who are asked to isolate don’t do it properly. Many are giving false information.

For context, in our area if the infection rates continue to increase as they are now, within approx 2 weeks we will need to find 4x the number of beds we currently are using. And we have just designated 2 more wards “Covid wards”. This means we are beginning to get into a situation where we will need to consider cancelling routine work as staff are needing to be redeployed and we won’t have the beds. On average patients requiring admission are in for 2 weeks. Left unchecked, modelling suggests that in the next 3-4 weeks our capacity will be at breaking point. Not just cancelling routine work, there will not be enough beds to deal with Covid and non-Covid patients. We may. not have icu or HDU beds to deal with patients, whatever the cause of their illness. That is the reality. We won’t have a nightingale hospital close by. We are all very worried about what the next few weeks hold for us.

They're not just your risks to take though.

Personally I don't want the NHS full to the brim with covid patients again, they need capacity to treat regular illnesses.
Knuckle down and we should be ok in the spring, and nearer a vaccine and better treatments.

I totally understand where your coming from, but I am following the rules, I’m beginning to question the rules as some dont seem to make much sense. I am currently in a tier 1, normally spend xmas day with my sister and her family, she is a family of 4, so at the moment that will be illegal as we are a family of 4, so we could spend Christmas with her and her dh but not her kids, but if we presume that as it’s so infectious what the kids have the parents will get, why does it make any difference.

Who the hell is responsible for the track and trace bulls up, why does it take so long to get test results, my ds is self isolating as covid case in his class, by the time the covid case got his result he was on day 6, so on day 6 school told all in contact to self isolate, but surely more infectious in the early days when they were all merrily spreading it around.

So I will happily follow rules if they make sense.

@Bailey0703

gjejgej

I'm sorry for the inconvenience of facts .

www.bbc.com/news/health-52662065

But I can almost guarantee you won't bother to read. I think you probably can't cope with inconvenient truths that don't fit with whatever strange theory you are espousing.

@Bailey0703

That's the best you've got? An old BBC article about some bloke who had blood clots and some experts who are "conducting studies"?

If that's all it takes to convince you that we should lock our country down to stop people getting "Long Covid" then I have some magic beans to sell you.

Perhaps you truly believe everything you read/see from the BBC; indeed that would explain your fear of the virus.

Try to view articles from the mainstream media through the lense of "they are trying to scare me" - things may become somewhat clearer then.

@BluebellsGreenbells

Isle of Man locked down

The people pulled together. Home deliveries sprung up.

PPE was made by engineers and college students at home

At John’s ambulance did medical trips delivering prescriptions

Everyone from the start returning was made to isolate for 2 weeks. Returnees were limited to a few a week.

Only residents were allowed back

Jail terms were handed out to people not following the rules as were fines.

Total lock down was 3 months.

Schools are back no social distancing, no masks, workers are back shops and offices are open.

Hand sanitizer is still in force as is regular hand washing.

People can leave but must isolate in return - they are checked on and must have a permanent address or hotel/self contained accommodation.

It’s possible IF people stick to the rules - and they clearly aren’t.

Exactly. Sadly we are too large a population for this to work here because the proportion of the self absorbed and selfish won't comply and the police won't be able to enforce in the number required.

Your other advantage is a community spirit on a small island. We need people to put a lot more effort into protecting their fellow neighbour, friend, colleague ..