AIBU to think I'd rather take my chances with the virus...

[User3billion]

...than give up any more freedom?!

I'm in a tier 3 area and I'm so done. I'm sick of people in tier 1 areas preaching on social media about what we should and shouldn't be doing (especially given it can vary from one tier 3 area to the next). I'm sick of feeling like a prisoner in my own home. I'm sick of not being able to trust a single thing our government says.

I don't understand how we've got to a point in the UK, in 2020, where it's ILLEGAL to visit family we don't live with. And what's worse is that people are happy to go along with this! It's all kinds of wrong.

We deride other countries that deprive their citizens of their civil liberties and yet here we are.

etopp

You haven't seen the scans of organs damaged by Covid. You have absolutely no idea if what you experienced is akin to long Covid. You are doing an excellent job of illustrating why people who don't know what they're talking about should be given some rules to follow, for the maximum number of people to receive treatment for every illness during this global pandemic.

I believe it can be done; more difficult things have been accomplished in the past.

Oh absolutely. I believe test and trace could have been done.

Point is, it wasn't. I'm not interested in people losing their lives because you have over-estimated the competence and brilliance of our government. What matters is...what will actually happen? If there isn't a working strategy, it really doesn't matter that there shoulda coulda woulda been.

YANBU at all, but this is Mumsnet, where anyone who doesn't bow down and cower to the virus and toe Saint Boris's line (or anyone more power-crazed than him, such as Drakeford) is automatically a mass-murdering granny killer.

And I think we have every reason to worry about life post-pandemic. Will Saint Boris or whoever replaces him EVER declare the pandemic fully over? Will our rights be restored TOTALLY to what they were? Will we have a massive crisis of mental health, all because of a lockdown for a highly questionable cause?

The esteemed lying, cheating, gaslighting, doommongering leaders we are saddled with would do well to remember one thing: they are our servants, not the other way round. WE PAY THEIR WAGES, while they are deliberately cranking up the spin machine, peddling lies, deliberately pitting groups of the public against each other, spreading fear, and distorted facts and figures to suit their agenda, supposedly in the name of health; when in fact, it's about control. There will be far more deaths from lockdown than from Covid, but Saint Boris doesn't care: he knows his days as PM are numbered, and he'll soon be retiring on his gold-plated pension while millions are unemployed because of his lockdown.

Let’s not forget the dodgy reporting of ‘Covid deaths’. Went into hospital with a heart attack but died from Covid! Hit by a bus but died from Covid! The numbers have been very badly recorded.

Why is long covid any different

It will affect more people. Every condition you mention is important and we should avoid them all. It's disingenuous to suggest leukaemia is comparable with something that people can work together to avoid, though. Economically, long covid will be probably be horrendously expensive and affect people financially, which is also a factor.

Swine flu was just one example, @08689326gno

You didn't see the scans of my organs damaged by swine flu. You weren't there while I was vomiting repeatedly because I couldn't stop coughing.

I have had swine flu, seasonal flu, pneumonia (twice) and pleurisy. I have asthma. I have been very, very ill. I had no doubt that Covid would not be fun for me.

However, the situation I am in now is so very shit that I'd take a dose of Covid over the alternatives.

You have no idea what you are talking about when you mention my situation, quite frankly.

@Whyisitsodifficult

Yes, the dodgy reporting of covid deaths is... dodgy. What's your point?

I’ve got long COVID which may have shortened my life but I STILL agree with you.

I'm in tier 3. We went to mcdz other day. We also did brodsworth gardens yesterday

@08689326gno

I didn’t say I was going to do whatever I liked. I said that it’s a bullshit reason.
It’s peddling a false and over simplistic dichotomy - “do as you’re told or the NHS won’t work if you need it.” The NHS isn’t working anyway, because it’s been cut to the bone by 10 years of Tory government. If it’s not working, it’s not working.

As a aside, why are do many people on here believe if you come to a different conclusion than they have done, it’s because you haven’t ‘engaged your brain’?! Are you really so arrogant that you believe your conclusions are the only valid ones?

YANBU at all, but this is Mumsnet, where anyone who doesn't bow down and cower to the virus and toe Saint Boris's line (or anyone more power-crazed than him, such as Drakeford) is automatically a mass-murdering granny killer.

What is this bizarre rambling? I'm genuinely mystified.

@ArcheryAnnie

Has nobody on here, ever, suffered from post-viral fatigue, illness, etc, after seasonal flu?

etopp yes, of course - but Long Covid encompasses far more than that. Not that much is known about how far it goes, but it's a whole-body disease and can include brain damage, heart disease, and a great many other very serious complications, AS WELL AS post-viral fatigue.

But if you have specialist knowledge that the world's doctors don't yet know about, I expect the World Heath Organisation would be glad of your insight.

See my post about illness. Though given that no illness other than Our Sacred Covid counts for anything, even if were typing from beyond the grave, someone would still be banging on about how I might infect the entire graveyard.

Long Covid is no more interesting than any long-term complications of seasonal flu. My bouts of pneumonia, long and horrible and incapacitating as they were, were the longer result of seasonal flu. Are you seriously tell me me that they were just "post-viral fatigue"? Fatigue was a problem, but it was the very least of my problems, given that I was also single-handedly looking after three children under five at the time, in between bouts of coughing/vomiting, and when I could physically move from the sofa.

I didn't expect everyone else to bow down to my oh-so-superior illness, though.

I got on with it, and got over it, and the world carried on turning.

I was sympathetic till you weighed back in with the 'but the Nightingales were emmppptttyyy' whining. If you seriously don't understand this then do some reading. It's not like it's hard to find it.

@08689326gno

Why is long covid any different

It will affect more people. Every condition you mention is important and we should avoid them all. It's disingenuous to suggest leukaemia is comparable with something that people can work together to avoid, though. Economically, long covid will be probably be horrendously expensive and affect people financially, which is also a factor.

@08689326gno

You've fallen victim to the propaganda.

The media knew people were catching on to Covid's low mortality rate so they had to invent something else to keep us in line: "long Covid".

NaughtipussMaximus

Another post in which you haven't responded to the point that many others have made. Covid patients will take up beds. You're complaining there are no beds because of Covid. You respond to this clearly logical point, made by lots of people, with phrases like 'we're fucked anyway'. And then you're indignant when asked to engage your brain.

My life is too short.

@wanderings

YANBU at all, but this is Mumsnet, where anyone who doesn't bow down and cower to the virus and toe Saint Boris's line (or anyone more power-crazed than him, such as Drakeford) is automatically a mass-murdering granny killer

You're just wrong. Don't generalise people simply because they don't agree with you. It makes you look a bit... lacking.

It's really just standard post-viral fatigue which can arise from flu and many other illnesses.

But give it a fancy name and the masses will lap it up :)

I am completely gobsmacked by people not understanding how important it is to try and have as few people infected as possible .

The danger is for a large part of the population is negligible.. however for those that do require hospitalisation they will require a bed and intensive nursing.

First wave was Spring into summer. The NHS does not get overwhelmed with respiratory illnesses in Spring to Summer BUT Every year it is on its knees through the winter with the normal flu, pneumonia's etc.. not to mention heart disease, cancer etc that are year round issues.

So although YOU May be 'happy to take your chances with the virus' User3Billion , either you or someone you subsequently infect may very well need a hospital bed and the services of nursing staff . Which is one less bed available for someone with typical winter illness or someone needing cancer treatment or having a heart attack.

It's really not hard to work it out. If you have 40 critical care beds which are normally full in the winter .. (worst time December /Jan ) where the hell do you put them if they are full of Covid patients in October and numbers continue to rise. ? Because whilst you can put more beds in there are no more staff..

People need to get it through their heads that THIS time is much much more dangerous than the first wave because their was no concurrent flu season..

@08689326gno

NaughtipussMaximus

Another post in which you haven't responded to the point that many others have made. Covid patients will take up beds. You're complaining there are no beds because of Covid. You respond to this clearly logical point, made by lots of people, with phrases like 'we're fucked anyway'. And then you're indignant when asked to engage your brain.

My life is too short.

@08689326gno

Increase capacity. Problem solved.

Has nobody on here, ever, suffered from post-viral fatigue, illness, etc, after seasonal flu?

I have, years ago, and now I have long Covid. There's no comparison, covid has actually physically changed me. I've gone from having such mild asthma that I might need an inhaler once every few years. I'm now on daily meds for it and still struggle 7 months later, as well as the other symptoms, some of which I had in the past too.

Clearly you haven't been affected like this, you're lucky, doesn't mean it doesn't exist just because you haven't experienced it.

OP- but it's not you taking your chances, you are taking a chance with other people's lives. You could pass it on to someone vulnerable or to someone else who then passes it in to someone vulnerable. This is the problem people are only thinking of themselves not passing it on to others.

I understand people are sick of it but this is the reason why we are in this situation, if people don't follow the rules to surpass the virus we will just be in and out of this situation for longer.

@gjejgej

The media knew people were catching on to Covid's low mortality rate so they had to invent something else to keep us in line: "long Covid

How do you know?

[quote Freakeconomics]@User3billion “ Why don't we publish the daily/weekly deaths from flu every night on the news?!”

If you think this is anything like the flu no wonder you want to through caution to the wind. Covid is not like the flu at all. Please don’t tell me you are one of those people still going around saying ‘sure it’s just a bad cold’ [/quote]
Hang on, do you think flu is just a bad cold? Are you one of those people who have one day off work with “a touch of flu”?

What do you reckon the country should do instead OP?

Ffs we are in the middle of a pandemic! We are in tier 3 and our local hospital is full of sick people with COVID-19. All routine operations have been cancelled as there are no beds. Get a fucking grip.