To be disgusted with Qatars assault on these women?

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I'm honestly shocked at how these poor women have been treated and my heart breaks for them. How on earth did anyone think that this was ok? No one should be forced to have an examination that they did not consent too. There is no excuse for this behaviour.

www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/doha-dfat-registers-serious-concerns-after-women-pulled-off-plane-strip-searched/news-story/f4eb941d267c2211605238a574935995

@Chanjer

Do people ITT think that strip searches and intimate examinations don't happen in the UK?

I think every adult woman on a plane being forced off at gunpoint and made to submit to internal examinations hasn't happened here, yes. But please do tell us if it has.

That's not what I said Orcus

I cried when I read that story. This is state sanctioned assault. Consent was not asked for and was not given. I refuse to even transit through the ME, especially the Gulf states and this has simply reinforced my conviction.

The thought of this happening makes my skin crawl. As someone who started periods and very obviously had a woman's body at ten, I am horrified that this could have been done to a child. One of my best friends has vaginismus, and I can't even begin to imagine the damage - both physical and mental- that this could do to her.

@Chanjer

Frankly it's easy to see how womens rights are going backwards in the UK, if this thread is for real.

Isn't it?

Especially when people supposedly interested in womens rights don't know what happens in their own back yard
You think searches in the UK require consent?

In theory the UK operates under a rule of law - enforced searches would be a last resort and carried out under strict conditions. With a right of redress. The comparison with what happened in Qatar doesn't bear out.

Also, I've noticed over the years, it's a SOP of vested interests to undermine all and any beginnings of resistance by use of pointing anywhere else and (wait for it) "Whatabout !?"

Whatabout the Tories rape clause in benefits too ? That went quietly under the radar until it's the new normal.

I read about that last night. I went sick.
Plus who’s to say the baby in question wasn’t a C/Section birth rather than a vaginal delivery.

Also, I've noticed over the years, it's a SOP of vested interests to undermine all and any beginnings of resistance by use of pointing anywhere else and (wait for it) "Whatabout !?

I described their treatment as barbaric.

I described the treatment of women in any similar situation as barbaric

It’s nothing like that Chanjer.

There’s women we’re not charged with anything, they were not detained or arrested.

Absolutely horrendous.

Plus who’s to say the baby in question wasn’t a C/Section birth rather than a vaginal delivery.

Presumably the umbilical cord was still attached?

Absolutely fucking horrific.

The PP up thread who said there would be women who refused - I’m not so sure. I can honestly say if I was marched off a plane in a country like Qatar I would quietly comply through sheer fear of being thrown in jail or worse.

I lived their for 5 years and you would not meet a more evil, inbred, racist, homophobic, misogynistic people other than Saudis.
If you defend them you are as bad as them. All the crap of their country their rules.
Living as if it is the Stone Age.

@northernmonkeys100

I lived their for 5 years and you would not meet a more evil, inbred, racist, homophobic, misogynistic people other than Saudis. If you defend them you are as bad as them. All the crap of their country their rules. Living as if it is the Stone Age.

Bit xenophobic, don't you think ?

They were detained

They were not arrested

You don't need to be arrested in the UK to be searched and this is abused all the time

For those not grasping this. I am not saying that what happened in doha is anyway correct. I am saying wake up to the abuses in your own country

Were they officially detained aNd taken into custody?

It seems they didn’t know what was going on and had no official notice of anything.

That’s not how it works.

I am sorry Serendipity but you are not considering the plight of the hotel staff since the ME expanded their tourism sector. Forty years ago there was no such thing. Along with the hotel explosion and the oil essentially being phased out we can only expect this problem to get much worse not better.

I don't think the average holidaymaker has the first clue what is going on in Abu Dhabi and Dubai for instance.

Then start your own thread @Chanjer and stop trying to derail this one as though you’ve played some sort of Ace card. I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve - are you trying to say that if someone expresses upset and concern about an incident abroad they must not care about incidents in the UK?

Forced intimate examinations in the UK are abhorrent and are actually discussed on MN all the time; this thread is about a specific incident that happened in a different country.

Women should be allowed to discuss and condemn a specific event without feeling like they have to list out links to other threads about other incidents that they’ve commented on to “prove” their credentials and obtain permission to express a fucking opinion.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

And 8% of the voting is agreeing with their treatment.

Blimey. How can you condone this?

A crime was committed. A baby was left (to die) in a toilet. Using cctv/passenger lists they narrowed down the suspects to a few women. They then searched the suspects, perfectly legally under that country’s laws.

Whether it was right or wrong, heavy handed, unnecessary etc - it was legal and not sexual assault.

Do people ITT think that strip searches and intimate examinations don't happen in the UK?

I can say with absolute confidence that no one in the UK would ever be ordered and taken off a plane, and subjected to an internal examination at gun point in a car park. That I know for sure would never ever happen here under any circumstances.

It is a despicable criminal act that should be seen as such, and serious consequences should follow.

The women involved will be traumatised, terrified and will now need extensive psychological support perhaps indefinitely. How are they ever to fly anywhere again? They will have been significantly harmed by this horrendous incident.

Is it really to much to ask that people don't use "the Middle East" when they actually mean "the ultra-Islamic gulf states"? The Middle East is a huge region which stretches from North Africa across to parts of Asia and Europe, taking in modern liberal Islamic countries like Jordan and non-Islamic countries like Israel.

Would you really say "I'm boycotting Turkey Egypt and Israel because Quatar are a repressive regime"? When those countries are totally different from each other and have nothing in common with Quatar?

@Friendsoftheearth

I am sorry Serendipity but you are not considering the plight of the hotel staff since the ME expanded their tourism sector. Forty years ago there was no such thing. Along with the hotel explosion and the oil essentially being phased out we can only expect this problem to get much worse not better.

I don't think the average holidaymaker has the first clue what is going on in Abu Dhabi and Dubai for instance.

Not quite sure what your point is, to be honest ? I know things in the ME haven't gotten any better in 40 years. Just worse and more unreported.

And I already said that if you think a ME awash with $$$ to corrupt our politicians (and it seems some MN posters) with is bad, it will seem like heaven on earth when the money does run out.

Indeed, I naively hoped the decrease in US reliance on Saudi oil would lead to a progressive shift from Saudi Arabia. However, luckily for them, the UK showed up so they could continue as before.

Oh and let’s not forget that on most threads about women feeling violated by examinations in the UK there’s always some twat popping up to say “well why do people only care when it’s white western women affected? It happens all the time in [country]...”

It’s almost like people don’t actually give a shit about the “other” women whatabout-ed and actually just want to stop women talking about this at all.

@runningfrominsanity "Suspects"? That's soooo scary. Those poor women and the poor mother.

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

I read about that last night. I went sick. Plus who’s to say the baby in question wasn’t a C/Section birth rather than a vaginal delivery.

If the baby was born in a hospital, presumably the mother would have been arrested for having a baby out of wedlock if she were not married. And I would think not as the father would bring almighty consequence on her pp. It sounds like she gave birth in the loo.

@froggygoneonakillingspree

Is it really to much to ask that people don't use "the Middle East" when they actually mean "the ultra-Islamic gulf states"? The Middle East is a huge region which stretches from North Africa across to parts of Asia and Europe, taking in modern liberal Islamic countries like Jordan and non-Islamic countries like Israel.

Would you really say "I'm boycotting Turkey Egypt and Israel because Quatar are a repressive regime"? When those countries are totally different from each other and have nothing in common with Quatar?

It may not be too much, but bear in mind how confused people get about "The UK", "Scotland", "Britain", "England" and "Wales". And that's before you add in "Northern Ireland", "The Republic of Ireland" and "British Isles" for good measure. And that's where we live. Not half a continent away.

I'll raise my hand to being guilty of laziness in saying "Middle East". But I would also suggest that including Israel - with their impressive catalog of human rights abuses - did rather undermine the argument a touch.

it was legal and not sexual assault

A forced internal examination without permission and at gun point is certainly not legal in most countries - and it would be a very, very serious offence here in the UK, and I am assuming in most other civilised countries.

Qatar are not known for their glowing human rights, but this incident takes the country to a whole new level of barbarity. It is unreal that you are seemingly supporting such action.

And right there is ANOTHER reason why I'll never go to the UAE or the surrounding area/countries. Nor will I take a plane that stops in that area either.