To be disgusted with Qatars assault on these women?

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I'm honestly shocked at how these poor women have been treated and my heart breaks for them. How on earth did anyone think that this was ok? No one should be forced to have an examination that they did not consent too. There is no excuse for this behaviour.

www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/doha-dfat-registers-serious-concerns-after-women-pulled-off-plane-strip-searched/news-story/f4eb941d267c2211605238a574935995

@MangoFeverDream No - I responded to posts dragging in every other Middle Eastern country and trying to make broader inferences about people in the region instead of focusing on these women and their experience in Doha, Qatar. I then answered questions posed to me, each time referring back to the incident that is under discussion here

Qatar is different in that they don't care about the international community, they don't have respect for women or international law. This was sexual assault, it's inappropriate, and it's prescriptive behaviour of the Qatari regime. Flying across the world, you could come into a situation where an aircraft needs to land for refuelling or for an emergency at Doha, and women's safety needs to be guaranteed. The same way it is at all other regional airports, where there are no limitations on dress, sexuality or marital status. When others use this situation to try and create narratives about Muslims, about Arabs, about Gulf citizens - that only reduces the power of this incident and those survivors.

@Neverbelieveallyouread ... The US have far more interests in the UAE than they do Qatar. Note that Al Udeid is majorly reducing its scope. Quite frankly, Trump has opposed the blockade because he doesn't care about Qatar's links with terror groups, while countries in the Gulf seek to stand against extremism in the region. That blockade has been successful in showing Qatar for what it is: a country allied with Turkey and Iran, and one where brutality against women and workers is commonplace.

Your whataboutism in an attempt to distract from Qatari behaviour is too obvious. The procedure for this type of search was not followed in this case, and that's on Qatar.

Australia is complicit in strip searching children as mentioned above, Britain have no problems stopping and searching people in their 'profiling' agenda

Oh ... Are they all hauled offf flights a d told to take their knickers off and spread their legs too?

(All aimed at finding a desperate, extremely likely to be unmarried, extremely likely to be vulnerable woman who's just given birth and "giver her medical care" (arrest her) before she escapes the country).

You heard it here first I wish we can't talk about how disturbing a current news story is without listing every other injustice that occurs or has occurred globally.

I grew up in London at the same time as you, and I have seen or heard of this happening ske never ever.
The only time anyone was subject to this would be once you are admitted into prison to ensure you are not carrying drugs.

The reason I'm saying what I'm saying is because it's clear that this is quite a prevailing attitude. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be angry about what happened in Qatar. I am saying people expressing the opinion that "this is what happens in a barbaric country" should be aware it's not entirely an unusual incident here, and it's barbaric anywhere! As pp said ask people in ethnic minorities, ask people involved in squatting or people who live in vulnerable circumstances whether enforced intimate searches are a thing or not. I'm glad you're experiences have been clearly otherwise

My own experience as one of the aforementioned groups is that yes, it is something that happens in many other circumstances than those outlined above

Such a shocker that this thread ended up getting derailed...

Intimate searches for drugs,weapons etc on people of both sexes are not exactly the sane as intimate, in advice examinations of only women for the purposes of intercepting and detaining a woman who's recently given birth and abandoned the baby (in utter desperation, it's fair to assume).

So stop.cimparibg them.

*stop comparing them.

Incidentally we know unmarried mothers are arrested and punished there, and the baby abandonment is most likely a crime too, so it wasnt (only) about medical care. In fact it wasnt about care at all.

It was about enforcing barbaric laws that victimise women, by victimising women.

@Friendsoftheearth apparently other women of other nationalities were also targeted - we do not know anything else about them & even the Australians may well be Muslims (they do have them there you know) one of the reasons so much information was public was because an older lady of 60 was also hauled off the plane but they recognised she was not a possible mother -after they got to Sydney she & other women were on the same bus going to Isolation at a hotel & discussed it. She was not assaulted but was able to explain what happened without her privacy being invaded by journalist. She used the word girls in describing some of the passengers who were victimized. Your comment seem to be suggesting that Muslim woman would have not been abused in the same way - really???

There was another article in the papers recently (can't find it now of course, I'm guessing it was the Grauniad as it's pretty much the only one i ever look at) about the unmarried foreign workers in Qatar who have given birth (usually as a result of rape or otherwise non-consensual sex imposed on them by their employers) who can't leave the country during this time because they first have to serve a prison term.

But they aren't allowed in the prisons which have reduced prisoner numbers due to Covid-19.

This is a country that has absolutely no care for women's rights, especially foreign and poor women.

As for the whataboutery and the "it's legal there" crew. Fuck off to the other side of fuck and while you're there look up the Fallacy of Relative Privation.

The only reasonably ok thing in all this is that apparently the baby is doing well.

@sergeilavrov I might have missed your qualifications in amongst all the previous posts but maybe like mine its just opinion on what you have experienced in Qatar.

Trump wanted the blockade, he allied himself with Saudi without realising how many service personnel were stationed in Qatar. Strange how now things have been changed and that peace talks are being held in Doha as its considered a neutral country and that the US approved that.

There is approximately 1,000 more military personnel in UAE than Doha so in the scheme of things not that many more.

I never condoned what Qatar did with regard to the Australian women I questioned whether what one woman reported was a complete version of what went on and noted that it was only one women, out of a number of women who were examined, who spoke out.

Mumsnet now deleting measured posts that point out that fundamentalist Islamic states have distinct, different laws, attitudes to human rights etc. than liberal democratic states .....

Absolutely disgraceful.

*noted that it was only one women, out of a number of women who were examined, who spoke out.

She wasn't examined.
String reading comprehension.

Buf as long as any fact appeared your support your narrative (UK, Oz does this too, suspicious that only one woman has spoken up etc etc) why would you read thoroughly.

*Strong reading comprehension

@GilbertMarkham

Mumsnet now deleting measured posts that point out that fundamentalist Islamic states have distinct, different laws, attitudes to human rights etc. than liberal democratic states .....

Absolutely disgraceful.

Yes, because describing an entire nation as ‘Vile, disgusting creepy weirdos’ is very measured.

No idea what you posted but your other posts haven’t been deleted (and no I haven’t reported any of your posts, not worth my time) but it must have been really abhorrent to have been deleted.

Oh and the women from other countries who may have been working in Qatar, may want to have the option of returning to work in Qatar to support their families, may have close relatives still working in Qatar ... Ate hardly going to be all over the press criticising Qatar for their forced vaginal.examinations, are they?

Yes, because describing an entire nation as ‘Vile, disgusting creepy weirdos’ is very measured.

Which poster was that???????

You're not very good at keeping track of which of the (many many) posters you've been inflicting inane comments on a d trying to argue with, are you?

but it must have been really abhorrent to have been deleted.

It was measured and accurate.

But there's apparently another person like you on this forum - any criticism of the human rights abuses of fundamental Islamic states cause you to scream "Racist!!!!!!" and aim to silence the posters.

It’s sickening!

@Neverbelieveallyouread I work in regional diplomacy and politics, have a PhD specialising in regional politics and a JD in International Law. I also teach and write on this topic.

Peace talks in the Taliban are hosted in Doha because the Taliban has significant links there and felt it to be safe. Scope is different to troop numbers: operational command has been removed from Doha in the wake of the blockade. You're completely wrong on the Trump issue, having gotten a bollocking from the US Embassy on the matter on several occasions.

Was it just the Australians or every woman on the plane?

@Orcus

Why on earth would anyone be ignorant enough to imagine that because something is legal, it cannot be sexual assault? That just sounds like you don't know anything about, well, anything.

Yep, some serious weirdos on this thread.

Seems it was all women but it was only Australian women on the plane. Because of the border restrictions in Australia almost only Australian citizens and permanent residents can enter the country. So it’s unlikely women of other nationalities would be on an Australian bound plane.

It is rich coming from Australia the way they treat aboriginal people.
Hardly anyone mentions the baby.
Do you get a consent if you are supect of drug mule in Australia.
The list is long, cut the crap.