I don't want shit food from the US

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So word has it BJ is waiting to see who wins US election. Trump = no deal with EU. Biden = half arsed attempt at EU deal.
I think Trump might win because too many people are so gullible and brainwashed.
So how can we avoid eating crap food from the US? Thus far EU standards have protected us from dangerous additives, excessive phalates in packaging, the list is long.

I think people are underestimating current crap meat to what is potentially coming over from the US.

Additional banned chemicals, growth hormones, EU banned pesticides, GM crops.

Things grown by mass production/industrial scale for high profits.

@WantANewHome

As I understand it the house of lords did not allow it, or so i read in the times.

As I understand it that's the one where the HoL made amendments to ensure our standards and the HoC overturned the amendments.

Happy for you’re children to eat this crap in school dinners?

We will be looking back with fondness at turkey twizzlers.

That’s what’s making me nervous. Why have they over turned it? What do they have in store for us?

The only way to answer that question is in the negative and say that whatever it is, it's certainly not the best interests of the majority.

But it's all moot. The moving finger writes and all that. No amount of whinging and whining is going to divert the good ship trade talks one iota. It sailed down the slipway 4 years ago, and has been twice refuelled to plough onwards through any and all obstacles until it reaches it's final destination. Wherever that is. Surely we should all be celebrating the triumph of the will here ? Not sniping like ungrateful teenagers.

I’m sure either Aldi or Lidl have said the won’t sell it - so I’ll be shopping there instead.

@ZombieFan

Never heard of a single British tourist complaining about the food in the US. I think it's about 4 million a year. But hey dont let the truth get in the way of a good MN story.

I was a British Tourist in the states. I went to Florida for 2 months. The food was awful. Especially the meat, I made a bolognese and it needed so much seasoning I couldn't tell the meat was still Beef.

I had chinese food and remember telling my BF America cannot do Chinese food.

Another year I went to New York for 10 days (the chinese food was lovely, so forgiven), but the Italian food. These are genuine American Italians and the food dire. Sorry I also didn't like my hosts food. It was supposed to be soul food but I'm not sure my hosts cooked very well. Can't blame America Food inudstry for that I suppose.

I've also been to Hollywood (awful food, Indian restaurant was terrible in particular, we thought we were safe in Mcdonalds at least we knew what was coming (or so we thought)), San Francisco (lovely food, even the junk food tasted great). Santa monica (also lovely food and the portions were more sensible then anywhere)

Lastly, Las Vegas went twice. Can't fault Steak and Eggs and breakfasts. I went to Hakkasans for my Bday. Bew T full (yes I was was, very full).

American food is hit and miss if home cooked food is constistently bad I think it's something to do with the food being sold. It can't always be the cook that is bad.

Hope that helps.

@Tunnocks34

I’m sure either Aldi or Lidl have said the won’t sell it - so I’ll be shopping there instead.

And how will they deal with vague labelling ?

It's clear a lot of people here have fuck all idea about the sheer ferocity of US companies when it comes to making money. Probably because they've lived most if not all of their lives protected from it. There will be some horrific shocks if they get their way.

Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsbury's have said they won't stock it but how would they know? And there aren't many people who can afford to do regular food shops at those places. Tesco have stayed silent which makes me wonder.

SerendipityJane Maybe you don't have much idea how supermarket purchasing works either. In any event, we'll see.

When I went to Florida I hated the food.
There was too much of it, over salted and covered in sauce. Even a salad came with loads of crap on it
Only meal I really enjoyed was at a little family run Mexican we accidentally found in a strip mall

"It’s obvious to anyone who visits an American supermarket in winter —past displays brimming with Chilean grapes, Mexican berries and Vietnamese dragon fruit—that foreign farms supply much of our produce."

How is it relevant to cite over and over what happens with US labelling of foreign imports in the US. We are talking about the food labels that will or won’t be permitted on US imports into the UK.

I’m sure either Aldi or Lidl have said the won’t sell it - so I’ll be shopping there instead

And do you think those supermarkets will be prepared to break the law over labelling?

It's clear a lot of people here have fuck all idea about the sheer ferocity of US companies when it comes to making money. Probably because they've lived most if not all of their lives protected from it. There will be some horrific shocks if they get their way.

This.

Why are the UK government going against the wishes of the people ?
Those in government will have to feed their families that food.
Perhaps they can afford to buy better food but their children and grandchildren may not.
I don't understand.

Gullible and naive people summed up:
"Oh just read the label, stop being paranoid"
Or
"They can't force us not to label food"

This is from the actual negotiation document:

*Ensure that the rules of origin incentivize production in the territory of the Parties, specifically in
the United States.

Establish a mechanism to remove expeditiously unwarranted barriers that block the export of
U.S. food and agricultural products in order to obtain more open, equitable, and reciprocal
market access.

• Establish rules that further encourage the adoption of international standards and strengthen

implementation of the obligation to base SPS measures on science if the measure is more restrictive than the applicable international standard.

• Establish new and enforceable rules to eliminate unjustified trade restrictions or unjustified

commercial requirements (including unjustified labeling) that affect new technologies.*

AND

^Promote greater regulatory compatibility to reduce burdens associated with
unnecessary differences in regulations and standards, including through regulatory
cooperation where appropriate.^

@LadyEloise

Why are the UK government going against the wishes of the people ? Those in government will have to feed their families that food. Perhaps they can afford to buy better food but their children and grandchildren may not. I don't understand.

Please read this article to see what Ministers do once an agenda is in place.

news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/16/newsid_2913000/2913807.stm

Local butchers
Local fishmongers
Local milkman
Bakeries
Cheese shops
Farm shops

These all exist reasonably accessibly near me and I live in the middle of bloody nowhere.

Supermarkets may seem convenient, but you are automatically putting your diet into the hands of those who don't necessarily have your best interests at heart...

@LadyMonicaBaddingham

Local butchers Local fishmongers Local milkman Bakeries Cheese shops Farm shops

These all exist reasonably accessibly near me and I live in the middle of bloody nowhere.

Supermarkets may seem convenient, but you are automatically putting your diet into the hands of those who don't necessarily have your best interests at heart...

I live in a fucking city, and we don't have a cheese shop. Or a fishmongers. And I don't call a shop that has to go out back to get a frozen joint of meat a "butchers" no matter what their facebook page says. It's not exactly like living in a Monty Python sketch admittedly. But when asking for Asiato Pressato (for example) gets a blank look, then you know you're wasting your time.

Horses for courses, if not lasagne, though. I'm pleased you're alright. Makes it much easier when not worrying about others I find.

@LadyMonicaBaddingham

Local butchers Local fishmongers Local milkman Bakeries Cheese shops Farm shops

These all exist reasonably accessibly near me and I live in the middle of bloody nowhere.

Supermarkets may seem convenient, but you are automatically putting your diet into the hands of those who don't necessarily have your best interests at heart...

This isn’t about supermarkets per se. It’s about the labelling of food, wherever it is sold, so you know exactly what you are buying.

@LadyMonicaBaddingham

"I'm alright jack"

@LadyEloise

Why are the UK government going against the wishes of the people ? Those in government will have to feed their families that food. Perhaps they can afford to buy better food but their children and grandchildren may not. I don't understand.

Oh the innocence.

The people in government now are not ordinary people. They do not work for a living. Their children and grandchildren’s livelihoods are fully provided for. They live in the world of stately homes. They do not live in the same world as someone with no family support working in Aldi’s, or even in the low middle class jobs.

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes, your MP probably works as hard as you, and could almost certainly earn more. Many people (not all) in "public service" or politics could double or triple their salaries in the private sector.

Going against the wishes of the people is a foolish statement. If a government, any government, followed the wishes of the people, then everything would be paid for by the rich, and funded in full. If wishes were Porsches, then beggars would drive.

Most MPs are fairly ordinary people with opinions about ideas of how society should run. That marks them as above averagely intelligent, because clever people think about ideas, regular folk talk about events, and everyone else gossips about people.

Many people (not all) in "public service" or politics could double or triple their salaries in the private sector.

I much doubt it - unless it’s through nepotism. Many of them have revealed themselves as shockingly unemployable and incompetent in the real world.

Aren't we tetchy.

The comment I was responding to said "the government" not MPs. The people on the front bench are the rich ones. They come from family money. The closest one to an ordinary person iirc was Sajid Javid, who of course works in finance which is not paid on the same level as ordinary work.

My MP, incidentally, is the product of middle class heredity as are her opinions. I am not, to put it simply. However I could be earning a lot more myself right now if this shitty country had any ability to organise reasonably-priced childcare and had not destroyed my old line of work. I'd also be a lot richer in general right now if it had not taken the option of selling us all out to buy-to-let landlords 20 years ago, thus increasing the house prices 400% in 2 years in my area, and more since, while destroying middle-ranking job positions and requiring increasing skills for worse pay.

So screw your oh-so-superior upper class thinkers.