I don't want shit food from the US

[flashbac]

So word has it BJ is waiting to see who wins US election. Trump = no deal with EU. Biden = half arsed attempt at EU deal.
I think Trump might win because too many people are so gullible and brainwashed.
So how can we avoid eating crap food from the US? Thus far EU standards have protected us from dangerous additives, excessive phalates in packaging, the list is long.

[flashbac]

@DBML
please read earlier in the thread. I have posted excerpts from the negotiation document. "Unfair" labelling is something the US wants us to do away with.

[DBML]

All I have seen is:

1. The word ‘might’
   

And

1. The removal of country of origin.
   

So they also might not AND who cares if it says made in America. There’s plenty of other information on the box as well as the fact people can research about unfamiliar products plenty on line.

[Teddy1970]

DBML Have you seen the shocking standards of American chicken farms? It's vile in every sense of the word, those poor animals have a miserable caged life on a bed of faeces, THAT is what I and many others on here are against, not cinnamon cookies. America makes some wonderful things but I'm afraid poultry and meat is not one of them.

[vlnr77yac]

Its not just a case of reading the instructions. The majority of their foods contain additives, some of which are EU banned, and often are not labelled correctly. There's not even strict rules on baby foods. Its a damn greedy money grubbing free-for-all.

Then there's GM frankenfood food which is hidden everywhere, and years from now they'll finally admit they knew it caused cancer, excessive obesity, deficiencies, and other illnesses.

This is what government is for... its almost impossible for individuals to tackle this problem. This takes us generations backwards instead of forward. Its terrible and YANBU at all !!!

[SerendipityJane]

Once again, for the recent posters, to save them the trouble of reading the thread:

The point about future UK standards is that they won't just be a cut and paste of existing US standards. So posters saying "Oh, it's like this in the US" aren't really addressing UK posters fears. Being a Mum in Maryland is of little help to a Mum in Middlesborough.

Also, the discussion isn't restricted to the shipping of physical products from US to UK, but to the standards that US companies buying UK farms will be producing food down to. Because that food will be labelled "produced in UK".

No country has been "brave" enough to sign with the US a deal as comprehensive as the one the UK is being drawn towards, so the fear of the unknown is a rational response. Whereas sweet nothings based on sweet nothing are suspiciously partisan in tune.

[MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes]

Further in the Uk we do not want to be forced into an American imperialist ambit. We do not want to become forced to rely on American food production, for many reasons - not only the quality and health risks which are well known, but also just the fact of dependence. We value, or should, some independent local food production capacity as well as other local production capacities. The rest of Europe has, I believe, recognised finally the fragility of globalist supply chains. And this is the moment our leaders choose to ramp them up.

[Clavinova]

The rest of Europe has, I believe, recognised finally the fragility of globalist supply chains.

Apart from the EU's recent free trade negotiations with New Zealand and Canada?

"Report on the eighth round of negotiations for a Trade Agreement between the European Union and New Zealand 8 – 22 June 2020."

^"COMPREHENSIVE ECONOMIC AND TRADE AGREEMENT (CETA)
MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE
21/22 SEPTEMBER 2020 (BY VIDEOCONFERENCE)"^

[MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes]

Ceta has been in negotiation for years. Nor should international trade be abandoned, either entirely for ideological reasons or most obviously pragmatic. But anyone who thinks that the UK can compete in an open market with a race to the bottom mentality, uncaring of any consequence for what that bottom consists of, is seriously deluded. We cannot match US economies of scale as an island half the size of one of their states: nor should we wish to try.

[Clavinova]

International Trade Secretary Liz Truss delivers the keynote speech at Chatham House’s ‘Global Trade Live’ event setting out her vision for UK trade policy.

Published 29 October 2020 ...

Our red lines remain at the heart of this values-driven approach, namely:

Our NHS remains off the table.
Our food standards must not be undermined and British farming must benefit.
And any trade deal must help level up our country.
...

We have legislated to ban the import of chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef. And I can assure anyone worried about such food entering our markets that our standards are not up for grabs ...

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/chatham-house-speech-liz-truss-sets-out-vision-for-values-driven-free-trade

[AuldAlliance]

Liz Truss heads a dept that thinks people are stupid enough to believe the lies it posted about its deal with Japan making soy sauce cheaper, when in fact it will cost the same as before to buy from Japan but more than before to import from the EU (where most of it is made) if there is a no deal Brexit.
Liars' promises and commitments are to be taken with a very big pinch of salt.

[Clavinova]

import from the EU (where most of it is made)

As long as it keeps the Japanese happy - obviously something they asked for.

[AuldAlliance]

Well, if the goal is to keep our trading partners happy and give them what they ask for, then obviously we can all rest easy about the forthcoming US/UK trade deal and food standards.

Another sigh of relief all round.

[Clavinova]

Well obviously the soy sauce was a minor concession for UK.

[Clavinova]

on the UK side.

[AuldAlliance]

So why is a concession being touted as a victory?
And why the lies?
With a gvmt that consistently takes the electorate for morons, no wonder trust is eroded and the assurances of Truss et al. ring more than a little hollow.

[Clavinova]

So why is a concession being touted as a victory?
And why the lies?

Someone in the back office made a mistake?

[AuldAlliance]

Someone in the back office made a mistake?

Have you ever read Tintin in the Land of the Soviets? Your posts are vaguely reminiscent of something.

[Clavinova]

Have you ever read Tintin in the Land of the Soviets?

No - but we have Tintin in Tibet and Tintin in America on dvd (box set).

[flashbac]

Clavinova do you trust this government? Sounds like you do.
Any future trade deals won't be put through parliament so there'll be no scrutiny or safeguards. What they say now they can easily renege on later (and they have such great form for that as we've seen already).

MPs have defeated an attempt by Tory backbenchers to ensure parliament has a vote on any post-Brexit trade deal.

An amendment to the Trade Bill currently going through the Commons would have given MPs and peers a say on any new agreement signed by the government.


www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-bill-parliament-vote-mps-eu-leave-a9629396.html

[Clavinova]

flashbac
Clavinova do you trust this government? Sounds like you do.

Yes, I do.

Do you genuinely believe that the government are going to 'sell off the NHS' and Boris Johnson is involved with Cambridge Analytica? From previous discussions with me it sounds like you do.

[GladAllOver]

I got really angry reading the first couple of pages, with people saying read the labels.

There are no labels on school dinners
There are no labels on hospital meals
There are no labels on restaurant meals, except for the most expensive.

When British farmers are undercut by cheap US suppliers they will either have to drop their standards to compete, or go out of business.

So please don't say read the fucking labels!

[Clavinova]

GladAllOver
So please don't say read the fucking labels!

Liz Truss gave a keynote speech 2 days ago;

"We have legislated to ban the import of chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef. And I can assure anyone worried about such food entering our markets that our standards are not up for grabs"

When British farmers are undercut by cheap US suppliers they will either have to drop their standards to compete, or go out of business.

Do you think the Former European Commissioner for Trade was lying to Irish farmers last year regarding the now-defunct Mercosur trade deal?

“For this agreement to be a win-win…carefully managed quotas will ensure that there is no risk that any product will flood the EU market and thereby threaten the livelihood of EU farmers,"

[SerendipityJane]

"We have legislated to ban the import of chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef. And I can assure anyone worried about such food entering our markets that our standards are not up for grabs"

A totally meaningless promise that no one can be held to account for. A waste of electrons, really.

Unless it's written into law (and even then) it's all bullshit. I'm still waiting for that £350 million a week (not backdated or in luncheon vouchers) that was promised on the side of a bus. Mind you, that was by the same people that promised us a trade deal with the EU would be sorted in an afternoon, over a cup of tea.

Talk is cheap - it's why it's so easy to quote other people. It costs fuck all.

[FurierTransform]

Choice is good.
If a US trade deal gives the UK an ultra-cheap food option to lower than current standards, we become a richer country as a result. Choice = wealth.
Personally I spend more for good food, but some people don't care, & I don't think it's right that we force them to spend more on food that has met certain regulations/conditions that they don't care about/would rather not pay for.

[NileEtland]

These threads about importing lower quality food from the US always seem to attract posters who are very keen to persuade us that it's absolutely nothing to worry about/ we can rely on our extremely trustworthy government/ this US deal on food is a really great idea, honest ...

We need to keep making a fuss about this and not let the government off the hook.