I don't want shit food from the US

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So word has it BJ is waiting to see who wins US election. Trump = no deal with EU. Biden = half arsed attempt at EU deal.
I think Trump might win because too many people are so gullible and brainwashed.
So how can we avoid eating crap food from the US? Thus far EU standards have protected us from dangerous additives, excessive phalates in packaging, the list is long.

I thought that currently we are protected by the EU legislation regarding food standards

Only in theory I'm afraid; it was always a bit of a smokescreen, which is how they ended up with:

Diseased beef from Poland
Listeria cheeses from France
Dioxin treated meat from Belgium
Oh, and horsemeat burgers

TBF I like horsemeat, but would rather eat the decent version rather than unregistered stuff laced with veterinary drugs which the UK was treated to

@Bohboh

One of the MANY reasons I’m glad to be vegetarian

Being vegetarian won't save you from all the carcinogenic pesticides.

i'll take my chances with that rather than eatting dead stuff.

They are hardly gonna transport meat and dairy. Its just not economical. Processed food is more likely. But alot of food that says British starts out somewhere else already

For anyone saying read the label, I have few questions: do you have takeaways? Do you have ready made meals? Do you have ready made sandwiches?

You realise this will force the British farmers to lose out to cheaper meats, and therefore some British farmers will have to unfortunately ask for our standards to be lowered so that they can compete?

How many of us can afford to buy organic meat?

Many British farmers are going to lose out and probably end up going bust because of this.
Cheap sells. While many here are knowledgable about chlorinated chicken and the substandard abattoirs they come from, many don’t know that. These people will see a cheaper meat price, so they buy it. It sad and true.

@Imworthit

They are hardly gonna transport meat and dairy. Its just not economical. Processed food is more likely. But alot of food that says British starts out somewhere else already

How do you think New Zealand lamb gets to the U.K.?

www.which.co.uk/news/2020/06/basic-food-standards-under-threat-from-us-trade-deal/

@Imworthit

They are hardly gonna transport meat and dairy. Its just not economical. Processed food is more likely. But alot of food that says British starts out somewhere else already

NZ lamb has a lot further to travel. For a start.

For a finish, once the (artificially) distressed farms are in US corporate hands it will be home grown UK shit food we get. Proudly bearing the "Made in the UK" label - possibly with a little flag, but very little else. Certainly not the farm of origin.

I can try to control what food comes into my own home and maybe I'll be lucky enough to afford local organic produce. But what about school dinners? Restaurants? Care homes and hospitals? What about people who can't afford to avoid what will be the new cheapest option? If we don't get a deal with the EU, will the highly regulated food (and other stuff it's not only food) that we've been able to afford become unaffordable to most people? I feel like we've thrown away so much.

If that happens we'll be buying meat from a local butchers and milk/cheese from a local farm shop and up the amount of plant based foods we eat.

I'll bake more so my son eats less sweets full of corn syrup and I think fast food chains will be a thing of the past for us. UK vs US McDonalds ingredients are shocking. No way am I feeding my son burgers with 20 more ingredients, all EU-banned additives!!

We need to make it very clear to Bozo & Co that whoever signs our soul to the devil will also be signing their own political death warrant.

If that happens we'll be buying meat from a local butchers and milk/cheese from a local farm shop

But where do they get their supplies from?

People who use farm shops tend to pay a bit more anyway for their food, as farm shops obviously use their own stock

I don't want to worry you, but customers thought the same about one round here, with "artisanal breads" temptingly displayed in wicker baskets, "local fruit and veg" and "meat from our own farm" ... until the owner was caught repackaging stuff he'd actually bought from supermarkets

On a different note, I don't know why so much of our lamb comes from NZ now, but wonder if it has to do with the Chernobyl thing? It was years before restrictions were removed from UK farmers, and maybe we'd just got into the habit of importing it by then?

@WantANewHome
The point being no food will be allowed to have a country of origin it!

@CovidHalloween

For anyone saying read the label, I have few questions: do you have takeaways? Do you have ready made meals? Do you have ready made sandwiches?

You realise this will force the British farmers to lose out to cheaper meats, and therefore some British farmers will have to unfortunately ask for our standards to be lowered so that they can compete?

How many of us can afford to buy organic meat?

Many British farmers are going to lose out and probably end up going bust because of this.
Cheap sells. While many here are knowledgable about chlorinated chicken and the substandard abattoirs they come from, many don’t know that. These people will see a cheaper meat price, so they buy it. It sad and true.

To answer takeaways no ready meals no premade sandwiches hell no!

I'm gluten intolerant so that side of things is an easy fix for me

How can they keep the price high for new Zealand lamb if they can't advertise the fact?

Co-op prides themselves on higher standards which means they can charge a higher price

Polish meats and German sausage again comand a price because of their provenance

I cannot see them stopping everyone from declaring where the meat is from

What strikes me is how the 'I'm alright, Jack' attitude is either really prevalent when it comes to food, or else people just don't know or have the nous to understand things like:

• WholeFoods is considered expensive in the US. How much more expensive is it going to be when it gets here?
• yeah fine if you have a farm shop nearby - what if you don't? Then you just have to accept that the food you eat might be riddled with the crap they use to make crops grow faster?
• what if I have a farm shop nearby, but I don't have the funds available to buy from there? What you're basically saying is, who cares what poor people eat?

I'm worried. I have three children, I'm totally happy to move to a mostly (or totally) vegetarian lifestyle. But I live in a city. No farm shops nearby, although I could probably afford meat once a week (alongside other veg). But if it's not labelled, then it's all a farce anyway isn't it? It could be from anywhere.

Without wishing anyone to eat US mass-produced food, please may I say that it is perfectly possible to eat well in the USA, as long as you buy as much as you can carry from farmers' markets and green markets. You will pay a premium for doing so. I can, and I will continue to do so, after whatever legislation is enacted. I don't buy supermarket meat anyway, because the pork mostly comes from Denmark where the regulations definitely permit farmers to follow intensive farming regimes, and the chicken is factory farmed. My meat comes from local butchers who still buy whole carcasses, and if we mostly buy the cheaper non-prime cuts (as we do) and cook them longer and slower, at greater energy cost, then I appreciate that it's not an option if you are in respite accommodation. Nevertheless, a kilo of shin of beef is unlikely to cost more than £4, and with an onion, a couple of carrots, a bay leaf and some salt and pepper in a cheap slow cooker before you leave home in the morning, then you should arrive home to eight portions of a tender tasty stew. Plus a few spuds boiled and mashed. Dinner is waiting for you. No additives, no tedious fuss. Just fairly healthy wholesome food, and not much washing up.

To the poster a few posts up, lamb comes from NZ in refrigerated ships, and is slow aged on the way. It has done so since the 1950s, because it supplies lamb to the UK all year. The lamb you buy fresh in spring/summer is this year's UK lamb, but when it gets older and tougher in winter (hoggett), then the supermarkets sell NZ spring lambs.

Has this been put up yet? Britain is preparing to lower our food standards to enable international imports, particularly US. With the excuse of ‘not hampering negotiators’.

www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-referendum/shock-as-red-tractor-chair-votes-to-lower-food-standards

I hope Brexiteers are proud of what’s being done in their name.

Which magazine

The main difference between UK and US legislation around food pesticides, additives, chemicals, hormones, etc, is that in the UK/EU food has to be proved safe in order for it to be permitted, but in the US it has to be proved unsafe in order for it to be banned. It’s a fundamental contradictory view.

@slipperywhensparticus restaurants? Your children/grand children’s School dinners?

So It might be alright for you because you are gluten intolerant so you are therefore extra careful with food, but for the rest of the population it is not ok and it is not the case sadly.

@twinkletoesimnot Thanks for posting the chart. It’s awful. On one hand we have the NHS are doing everything they could to stop antibiotics becoming resistant to infections then you get this damning this chart about pumping our meats full of antibiotics 🤦🏻‍♀️

Without wishing anyone to eat US mass-produced food, please may I say that it is perfectly possible to eat well in the USA, as long as you buy as much as you can carry from farmers' markets and green markets.

I think the problem a lot of people in the UK - certainly on this thread - have is believing that the UK will be allowed to enjoy even that level of protection in the event of a US led deal. Possibly based on the fact that there aren't any countries in the world that have seen such deals lead to an improvement in food standards. Because if there were, cheerleaders would have cited them.

^ exactly

[quote CovidHalloween]@slipperywhensparticus restaurants? Your children/grand children’s School dinners?

So It might be alright for you because you are gluten intolerant so you are therefore extra careful with food, but for the rest of the population it is not ok and it is not the case sadly.[/quote]
The children's school meat is halal for the whole school youngest is living off school cheese sandwich lunches 🤷‍♀️ currently the only thing on his safe list

Look im poor its going to effect me and my shopping at some point ive signed ever single petition i can find raised awareness everywhere i can i wouod contact my mp but he has never ever deviated from the Conservative party line he voted for benefits cuts for disabled children and voted against extended free school meals he is a hypocritical bigot and my town keep voting that fucker in despite us being one of the most deprived areas in the west Midlands we actually have the most eligible family's in the west Midlands he votes against poor and disabled gay people everyone if your not white British born with money from mummy and daddy he isnt going to vote for you

ooh ooh ooh, please miss, I just thought of an answer miss,

Lots of supermarkets don't unpack from the boxes. So, the individual packs of food could be unlabelled (IF, incredibly, that becomes law) And the customers would just need to read the bulk box, instead. Surely it couldn't be part of law that the actual boxes were unmarked, or they could never be identified while being transported. If American bulk boxes just said "chicken" "apples" and British boxes said "Duchy chicken" " Kent Farm apples", you would know. You would know even if they just put the phone number or the address or website or email address. You could tell it wasn't an import.

I haven't looked up the relevant legislation or what stage it has reached. Has anyone?