To think that Mark Drakeford is a power mad dictator?

[LittleLapwing]

Half the shops covered in plastic. Can’t buy clothes, duvets, books, DVDs, tins but not tin openers.
All the Halloween and bonfire night stuff that’s just been stocked is behind a cordon. Presumably now destined for landfill.

Autumn half term after a shitty year and I can’t even do a few seasonal treats for the kids.

AIBU to think that Mark Drakeford is a power mad dictator, and that his ridiculous game of Covid oneupmanship with Nicola and Boris needs to stop!?

NOT EVERYONE HAS THE MONEY TO BUY FAKE BLOOD AND SPIDERS ON A Whim*

FFS. We aren't just talking fake spiders and cobwebs here. We're talking clothes, tin openers and fucking lightbulbs but regardless of the item the point is that not everyone has the money to buy whatever they may need on a whim.

@chalkiegirl

Thank goodness we didn't have to live through either of the world wars when things were seriously tough for the vast majority of the population. How would we all deal with food rationing for example? So many of us have become entitled - all this complaining whenever anything threatens to prevent us doing what we want. I live in Wales and broadly support what the Welsh government are doing. Not sure that the current increase in cases all over the country is necessarily shopping related - more likely people refusing to follow rules on meeting in groups in houses and pubs, hugging and kissing , not social distancing.

But we’re not in a fucking war! Rationing was because THERE WAS NO FOOD. These measures are because MD fancies doing it. Even HE says that this is not about controlling the virus.

This is not the war. We’re not all in it together singing along with Vera Lynn and joking the Home Guard. My hassle people love to pretend. Wake up and get a grip.

@Burnout101 i'm don't know why i'm bothering as it's like a brick wall. I'm not talking about the firebreak. I'm asking why supermarkets can't sell non essentials

If one can't go to the supermarket then they may be more readily willing to buy from the local shops instead of being lured by the bright lights and fancy things on offer at the big supermarkets which do blow the little businesses out the water

plenty of people have been using Amazon an awful lot, myself including.
they are the winners in this situation, as are the delivery drivers.

*however much some people love to pretend.

Not sure where hassle came from. Appropriate though.

Would pumpkins not count as food? You can make soup..

can you go to a hardware shop or a greengrocer? a pound shop?

@noideaatallreally

No, I don't agree with you. He is a democratically elected leader who I believe is trying to do his best in these unprecidented times. It is a very short, sharp break to our normal lives. It is just over two weeks. I think it will be better than the stop start approach we have seen so far. If this helps to give a little more protection the vulnerable in our communities and schools safer for all children and all staff then it is a very small price to pay. And no, of course there are no guarantees that it will be able to do that - but isn't it worth trying it? Just for 16 days?

It seems sensible to me. The less time we all spend in the company of people outside our own bubbles then less likely the virus is to spread - or at the very least it will slow the spread down.

I wish I lived in New Zealand right now, but I don't - but I do feel that the Welsh Government is making a better job of this than Westminster.

He isn't actually. He took over . He's never faced the Welsh electorate as FM. Labour itself has a bare majority.

It won't be for 17 days. I've already been closed for 3 weeks and don't expect to be allowed to re-open any time soon.

@flowerbombVR

If one can't go to the supermarket then they may be more readily willing to buy from the local shops instead of being lured by the bright lights and fancy things on offer at the big supermarkets which do blow the little businesses out the water

Aye cause they’re all open 👍😂

@MissEliza

I can't believe all the people defending these stupid rules. It's like they thinking making life as hard for yourself as possible makes you a better person.

It was the same during the UK national lockdown. How dare anyone have any fun ever when people are dying. Even though people die every day of other causes, but that doesn't matter, the only deaths that matter are those "with" (not necessarily even "from") covid. Hair shirts galore.

Some of you (thankfully a tiny minority) need a TARDIS to take you back to Oliver Cromwell's time.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Can't even buy a sodding pumpkin on Halloween. How fucking miserable. How many people will not buying a pumpkin save??

The pumpkins were still on sale in the Co-Op by me last night, so I think you can still get one.

[quote RoxytheRexy]@Burnout101

I’m in Gabalfa. Just a list of shops would be great[/quote]
For Gabalfa then I'd go on FB, on MyWhitchurch and the Llandaff/Whitchurch/Gabalfa hub and Cardiff North Business for starters and look through latest posts offering deliveries, I'm not trawling through myself, sorry.

@AllPlayedOut

NOT EVERYONE HAS THE MONEY TO BUY FAKE BLOOD AND SPIDERS ON A Whim*

FFS. We aren't just talking fake spiders and cobwebs here. We're talking clothes, tin openers and fucking lightbulbs but regardless of the item the point is that not everyone has the money to buy whatever they may need on a whim.

I was referring to one specific post, which specifically mentioned haribo, take blood and spiders and nothing else.

FFS.

@timetobackout

There is a bigger prize on stake here than whether you need to buy a candle or not. Such limited thinking on this thread.

This is NOT about controlling the virus. Mark Drakeford freely admits this

If one can't go to the supermarket then they may be more readily willing to buy from the local shops instead of being lured by the bright lights and fancy things on offer at the big supermarkets which do blow the little businesses out the water

They've been closed as well, what it will do is lure people online.

I care about independents & high streets. Are they receiving any measures to help them apart from this helpful idea?

@Burnout101 Because what you’re claiming doesn’t exist. I know that because I’m on a lot of those groups what with living in that area myself

Who are these people who throw out gloves after winter then buy another pair when the weather gets colder? The people with just one set of bedding? No cheap back up tin opener just in case their normal one breaks at any other time of the year?
A cheap/travel hairdryer in case their normal one packs in when drying their hair?

I don't throw gloves away and we do have a spare cheapy hairdryer as we bought one on holiday once.
But I don't have a spare tin opener, kettle, microwave, iron (I know I could happily live without that for 2 weeks btw) because its never been a situation before where you wouldn't be able to go out and get one the same day, or worst case, next day.
I'm quite surprised that you can't imagine a scenario where people don't have spares of everything.

Do you think he's got shares in Amazon?

[quote headstrong27]@Burnout101 i'm don't know why i'm bothering as it's like a brick wall. I'm not talking about the firebreak. I'm asking why supermarkets can't sell non essentials [/quote]
And I explained why they can't.

I don't know if some posters have missed this very important part of the lockdown rules - it is for two weeks plus one extra weekend - 16 days to go. In 16 days time the rules on non essential items will be lifted. We can all go out any kettles and lightbulbs and pens then. Or we can buy them online. Or if anyone is concerned about local non essential shops losing out we can wait. For 16 days.

Instead of getting more and more het up about an increasingly bizarre and catastrophic series of events that might evolve because we cannot CURRENTLY buy said tin openers, kettles and pens we could just give this a try?

And I do think calling a democratically elected leader a dictator is ridiculous. I am sure that people who live with/ have lived through dictatorships would have far better explanations than me though.

How would we all deal with food rationing for example?

I do wish that people would stop romanticising WW2 and using it as a tool to beat others over the head with. You know how people dealt with it then? By buying on the black market, stealing or otherwise cheating the system. They didn't all just roll over and accept it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33566789

Perhaps nothing encapsulated the ideal of an "all in it together" wartime attitude than rationing, which required everyone to make sacrifices in order to ensure there was enough to go around.
But the system was abused - and disputes could even lead to murder.
An aircraft gunner at an aerodrome camp in the north of England was accused of shooting and killing a superior officer after the pair had argued over rations in March 1944.

"He asked for it," the Birmingham Mail reported witnesses hearing the killer say.
The use of the black market - as embodied by the spiv Private Walker in Dad's Army - was widespread amid the constraints of rationing and some sought to fiddle the system, much in the way benefits cheats operate today.
One woman in Hartlepool was fined £160 in 1940 after using four ration books to get food for her family of three. Her 15-year-old son had accidentally been sent a child's book and an adult's and she used both for six months to obtain extra supplies.
She claimed she thought the extra rations were because her son was a "big schoolboy", the Northern Echo reported.
People were also caught using ration books belonging to elderly relatives who had died, while others simply swapped any rations they did not want with their neighbours.
Several London hotels were fined in 1941 for illegally buying "at least" 150,000 eggs from a black market dealer from Folkestone.
The hotels, which had paid up to twice the controlled price for the eggs, said they were "desperate to feed the guests".
The dealer was sentenced to three months' hard labour.

@AllPlayedOut just checked back and it was your post

Ok, you may have been talking about other essentials, but from the way you worded your post it sounded like you were talking specifically about fake blood, and it was funny.

@headstrong27

I care about independents & high streets. Are they receiving any measures to help them apart from this helpful idea?

No. That would have made more sense. But MD’s thinking was, if one sector is disadvantaged, instead of helping them to recover we should pull everyone else down to their level.