Christmas - following the rules or not?

[BIWitched]

From what we know right now (and accepting that things may change in the next few weeks) if you're in tier 2 or 3 re you going to obey the rules about not mixing households indoors?

YANBU - I will be ignoring the rules
YABU - it's my civic duty to obey the rules

I’m horrified by the amount of you willing to break the rules (if still in place for Christmas) I’m a severe asthmatic and spent 4 months this year locked in my house pretty much. I have family recovering from cancer and by god I won’t risk them.
I’m a Christian who celebrates Christmas for Christmas and I’m so worried we won’t be able to celebrate like normal but I’m not risking my family for anything!

I work in a primary school with 35 x 4 year old who dont socially distance. We are not allowed any ppe and I've already had 14 days self isolating within 7 days of being back at work...having followed the rules explicitly and been safe for the 6 months previously.

I've absolutely no protection from my 35 daily contacts their friends and neighbours and no way of knowing their social behaviours or intent to stick to the rules.

I decontamination change and shower before I greet my family when I get home. My hands hurt from cleaning and hand sanitising. It still isn't enough to protect me and my family.

So yes, I'll stick to the rules to protect the 3 of my 4 family members who are clinically vulnerable. I'm a mum, a daughter and sister and fiancee. I wont put them at risk because the Govt won't see fit to protect me

I have family recovering from cancer and by god I won’t risk them

Presumably if people have family members who are similarly vulnerable then they won't see them, will they?

@norunningwithscizzuhz

I have family recovering from cancer and by god I won’t risk them

Presumably if people have family members who are similarly vulnerable then they won't see them, will they?

I bet some of them will.

@30not13

It's important to me to he a good role model to my child.

I wonder how you are all going to explain this ignoring of rules to your own kids? What if they are anxious about rule breaking or getting fined aside from getting covid of course, do you care about how they would feel if they kill nana?

Human behaviour saddens me.

I talk to my kids as little as possible about it and they have absolutely no clues about fines or the rest. They follow the rules at school as required, sanitise their hands when we’re about and about. But why would I put that kind of stress on a 5 and 9 year old?

I bet some of them will

Can't imagine the vulnerable will put themselves at risk for a family gathering.

If they do that's their choice, isn't it.

This. We are the same..I have stuck to every single rule since it came in. Didnt even go out and do the obligatory 1 hrs exercise because I thought 'if we can stay in we should'. We've been 'out' once for a meal for my son's birthday (he turned 13 and was due a big bash but we went to the local restaurant instead, as soon as it opened one night so there was no one in but us). I haven't seen my parents since the end of February and my kids haven't seen their grandparents. They live at the other side of the country and a 7 hour round trip is a bit much for a garden visit. They are in their 70s but fit and healthy but have also stayed at home throughout this whole thing. My mum gets really upset that she hasn't seen the grandkids for 8 months now and they've missed out on so much, birthdays, family holiday that we all go on together, school holidays where the kids usually go there to visit, we've just cancelled our week away in a caravan that we were due to go on on monday. I'm really hoping that the rules are eased a little for Christmas because I'm not sure if I can honestly say I won't just think 'sod it' and I'd find it really difficult to do that because I am a rule follower by nature.

If my parents want to come and see the kids on Christmas Day then I won’t be saying no to them. They look after them two evenings a week while we are working as our childcare bubble and while they shouldn’t be coming over for other reasons the increased risk seems so small I wouldn’t dream of suggesting to them it’s not acceptable. They are willing to risk caring for the girls to help us while they are at school with other kids every day. By Christmas Day they’ll have been off for a week and been at home doing a range of Christmas crafts with the odd walk on the beach if it’s not too wet and have seen no one but their dad and I. They are definitely no more likely to have COVID and be able to pass it on than they were the week before. My parents also look after my nephew and will doubtless see him and my brother/SIL but they see him every week regardless so don’t think they are any more risk to us than normal. Generally wiling to follow the rules even if I think they are stupid at times but in this specific instance I’ll break them

[quote MrsFezziwig]**@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken
The grandparents will be providing childcare on Christmas Day while the parents are cooking/ tidying etc.

This is the attitude that irks me - the “oh I’m so much smarter than the rest of you plebs because I’ve found a way to get round the rules”.[/quote]
Calm down. I don't have a childcare bubble so no one will be coming to my house. My friends do have childcare bubbles though and they will be having those grandparents over on Christmas Day. I don't begrudge them one bit.
They'll be looking after the kids the day before so what's really the difference in helping looking after them the next day? My friend has a two year old and a ten month old and has recently returned back to work. Why would I begrudge her and her partner having help throughout Christmas Day from the same people who were helping them out the day before?

We'll be sticking to the rules.
Although it's rather taken out of our hands as we'd normally have my mum (who died in June), my sister and her boyfriend (but they live abroad), my fil and his partner (but they're shielding)....so that's that.

This is a debate I have with myself regularly, and with this being the last Christmas one of my close family members will ever have (terminal cancer, treatment now stopped to allow her to live what remains of her life without side effects). She would love nothing more than to have the family Christmas we had planned, but I just cannot see it being permitted. So, do we break the rules, give her what she says is her final wish, and risk it? Or do we stick by the rules and deny her that?

I don't know the right answer, I haven't decided what we will do, but I wish more than anything that this wasn't happening, and I didn't have to hesitate in saying 'of course we will'.

Tier 3. Will be following the rules. My mum is in a bubble with an elderly relative plus she works with elderly people so wouldn’t want to pass anything on unknowingly.

We've been breaking the rules for weeks and will continue on Christmas Day. Literally last caring after DMum tried to commit suicide in June

Tier 2 and I will follow the rules- my support bubble (well I am the support) is in tier 1 at present. This may change as Christmas is over 2 months away.

Follow the rules by default as we were at my Sister's last year. In a Bubble with Mum and Dad so a quiet Christmas with them. It will be like our normal Sunday but with Tinsel and a Tree😃

@Lifeofftheedge

This is a debate I have with myself regularly, and with this being the last Christmas one of my close family members will ever have (terminal cancer, treatment now stopped to allow her to live what remains of her life without side effects). She would love nothing more than to have the family Christmas we had planned, but I just cannot see it being permitted. So, do we break the rules, give her what she says is her final wish, and risk it? Or do we stick by the rules and deny her that?

I don't know the right answer, I haven't decided what we will do, but I wish more than anything that this wasn't happening, and I didn't have to hesitate in saying 'of course we will'.

That would be a no brainer for me (and I like a good rule!)

Have Christmas as she wants it - all take as many precautions as is practically possible in the 2 weeks run up but otherwise go for it and make her happy xx

We're about to go into T3, if we're still in T3 at Christmas (wouldn't be surprised) we'll largely stick to the rules but might flex them slightly such as collecting or dropping off presents to relatives in the local area. We won't go inside anywhere, but we might have a doorstep chat. We'll have Christmas Dinner etc by ourselves at home.

Not

We are spending xmas at home with the kids and my parents are coming, me and my mom are both nurses and are obviously at risk there and they care for our kids every day around us working. If one of us caught it from work we'd all get it. As far as im concerned we may as well live together were that close so no one is telling me my mom and dad are not seeing us christmas when we see each other everyday either at work or through the children.
The lines are so blurred in all this tier business, we can go to work and be within 1M of others giving personal care etc to patients, kids sre going to school and mixing with 100+ kids as they are in year bubbles, partner works from home again now but has to occasionally go to the office where they are in an enclosed space, what difference is it really going to make a couple if extras at the dinner table going to make? Im sure someone will disagree, and if any of us had symptoms it would be a deffo no no but if were all ok then were going to enjoy xmas the best we can.
The late night party is cancelled though cause we dont want to take the piss

Same as us, once it locked down all we did was do the food shop and went to the park if it wasnt too hot as it was always super busy. We didnt see my in laws for five months only saw my parents over the fence.
I bet theres a couple of politicians who get caught out at xmas

@MirandaMarple
I’m there now
It’s fabulous
We are coming back in December
Very relaxed.

I’m
With D4win

@norunningwithscizzuhz

I'm not saying whether I will or won't.

What I will say is that, now people have realised this is here for the forseeable and will not be resolved with a 3 week lockdown, they have decided they are not prepared to hold off seeing family indefinitely.

The govt would be far better off imposing a 3 week lockdown just before Xmas in order for people to see their families over the festive period. People would actually obey that.

Multiple open ended lockdowns with no end in sight is not feasible. People won't comply. They already aren't.

This!

Followed the rules at the start for months. Actually was angry at people who didnt. Then I gradually realised its all bollocks thinking you can control a virus by trying to undo thousands of years of human psychological need to be social.

I'm told the lockdowns aren't to eradicate the virus but to slow the spread. I've cut my socialising down by 90% so I'm doing "my bit" that way but am I hell going through a dark, wet, miserable scottish winter not visiting a single friend or family member in their/my house. I'll be having Christmas as normal planned with 8 people. And ill be seeing my family in the meantime.

What is a “childcare bubble”? That’s not a “thing”

However, I won’t be following any poxy rules on Christmas Day and will be seeing and spending time with family!

I'll be at work Christmas Day (NHS). Would really appreciate everyone continuing to follow the rules properly so that one day in the not too distant future I'll be able to meet up with all of my family again.