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To want everyone to know the names of the MPs who voted against feeding hungry children?

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WrongKindOfFace · 22/10/2020 07:40

Remember Marcus Rashford and his campaign to extend free school meals? Yesterday all but a handful of Tory MPs voted against extending free school meals over the school holidays until Easter 2021. You can see if your MP is amongst them here: votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/896#noes

Whatever your thoughts on what parents should be doing some children are going to go hungry. Why punish the children because of the sins of the parent? And remember most people on benefits are in work.

Plus there is a bloody pandemic. We’re in unprecedented times. People who were just about managing are now on the bones of their arse.

We have billions to spaff up the wall on a useless test and trace system, or useless Ppe but we can’t feed a few hungry kids. And le’t not forget that the MPs voting against this get subsidised meals and can claim for their food on expenses.

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cantdothisnow1 · 22/10/2020 20:30

@Livelovebehappy

People are being totally hysterical saying children are starving to death. They aren’t. Education is the key - how to budget and manage money. Free school meals today, what next? Providing clothes? Do people stop to think that by increasing government spending on the level we are currently is going to condemn their kids to a lifetime of paying huge taxes in the future to pay off all this debt? Nothing in life is free, there will come a time when the payback comes, and we will be seen as the selfish generation who lived for today with no thought for our children or grandchildren.
Oh yes education is the key. Totally agree with this, except it isn't if your kids have SEN then this government ACTIVELY spends money to deny an appropriate education.

So these children, often disabled, are thrown into poverty because the funding isn't there.

OrangeBananaFish · 22/10/2020 20:31

Well I just wasted 5 seconds of my life scrolling down to find my MPs name. I knew he'd be there so why on earth did I look? Then again we are a very safe Tory seat. We've been tory since 1910 according to wikipedia.

Gettinggrumpier · 22/10/2020 20:36

Please remember that the Labour party is not immune to a whole lot of criticism.

Low pay is often part of the problem. The Labour party thought it was a good idea to encourage employers to take people on and pay them less than a decent wage because the government will subside the poor pay with in work benefits.

There is therefore no incentive for employers to pay decent wages because if the worker went elsewhere they would get the same pay. So the government and tax payers pay employers to hire people, thus adding to the company's profits.

The system is odious but nobody will change it. This is what stinks and the consequences from it.

FourTeaFallOut · 22/10/2020 20:36

The negative effects of childhood hunger isn't limited to starving to death. The ripples of childhood food insecurity extend through a lifetime with costly consequences for the individual and society.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20190429-why-food-poverty-is-a-health-time-bomb

Oblomov20 · 22/10/2020 20:38

Their reasons make me want to vomit!

Acerred · 22/10/2020 20:47

Perhaps they were discussing it over their heavily subsidised lunches.

I'd have enjoyed this for lunch:

starter: Rosemary salt baked squash panna cotta with almond feta, beer and onion ketchup and parsnip crisps (Ve) (GF)£4.10

main: Leek and wild mushroom bread and butter pudding with chargrilled spring onions, roast celeriac puree and rose

dessert: Fig, cream cheese and orange messCandied figs, whipped cheesecake, crisp meringue and fresh orange(GF)£2.71

What bargain prices, all paid for by the tax payer of course.

Hollywhiskey · 22/10/2020 20:54

@Mumoftwoyoungkids perhaps yours, like mine, didn't bother voting at all.

mrshoho · 22/10/2020 20:57

@Gettinggrumpier

Please remember that the Labour party is not immune to a whole lot of criticism.

Low pay is often part of the problem. The Labour party thought it was a good idea to encourage employers to take people on and pay them less than a decent wage because the government will subside the poor pay with in work benefits.

There is therefore no incentive for employers to pay decent wages because if the worker went elsewhere they would get the same pay. So the government and tax payers pay employers to hire people, thus adding to the company's profits.

The system is odious but nobody will change it. This is what stinks and the consequences from it.

True. The tax credit system was a subsidy to businesses really as a way to pay low wages 'topped up' by the state. The new Universal credit is a continuation but with a harsher Conservative twist. Working people having to go cap in hand to get achieve an income to scrape by on.

New claimants are only eligible for free school meals if their income is below £7400 pa.

It is deplorable that even if the government agreed to extending fsms in the holidays, there will be thousands of families who are still struggling as they don't qualify but are living in poverty.

mrshoho · 22/10/2020 21:00

[quote ForthPlace]The same 'David Ross' of the David Ross Education (Academy) Trust

schoolsweek.co.uk/david-ross-education-trust-cleared-of-wrongdoing-but-is-vulnerable-financially-esfa-rules/

schoolsweek.co.uk/coronavirus-david-ross-education-trust-furloughs-dozens-of-staff/[/quote]
Sad Academies and all that is wrong. Trying to capitalise on state education. Who the hell ever thought these were a good idea.

Cattenberg · 23/10/2020 00:06

@FourTeaFallOut. That article is shocking.

Rickets has made a comeback. Children are being admitted to A&E with seizures caused by vitamin deficiencies. ‘“Iodine deficiency is “the primary cause of preventable mental retardation and brain damage”’. Malnourished children seem to have an increased risk of asthma and eczema. And then there’s the long-term impact on an individual’s mental health.

What are we doing to our children?

DollyD65 · 23/10/2020 01:30

FSM's have already been extended in Wales. Our local (tory) MP has, however, voted not to extend for England. Shameful! Also whinges about a post lockdown plan for Wales....yeah, because tory 'planning' is going really well in England Hmm

grassisjeweled · 23/10/2020 01:40

Wonder what Her Maj and Co think of all this?

StuckInTheMiddleWithTwo · 23/10/2020 01:53

@grassisjeweled

Wonder what Her Maj and Co think of all this?
Let them eat cake?
Lovely1a2b3c · 23/10/2020 01:59

What wankers. Voting against feeding deprived kids is fairly straightforwardly evil really isn't it!

Lovely1a2b3c · 23/10/2020 02:05

@Livelovebehappy

People are being totally hysterical saying children are starving to death. They aren’t. Education is the key - how to budget and manage money. Free school meals today, what next? Providing clothes? Do people stop to think that by increasing government spending on the level we are currently is going to condemn their kids to a lifetime of paying huge taxes in the future to pay off all this debt? Nothing in life is free, there will come a time when the payback comes, and we will be seen as the selfish generation who lived for today with no thought for our children or grandchildren.
Lots of kids in this country are suffering from malnutrition and surviving on fewer than three meals a day. Their parents are having to decide between putting the heating on, paying rent or buying food and often survive on one meal a day in order to feed their kids.

Civilized, wealthy countries should not have children growing up suffering from malnutrition.

FatimaMunchy · 23/10/2020 06:02

DD worked for a charity offering food parcels to those on fsm during summer 2029, but the take up was very low. The same people attended activities there during term time but for some reason didn't attend during the holidays. They also had zero take up for period poverty, even though it was provided through the school nurses and well publicised.
A local church laid on meals in the community centre (again summer 2019) and they found that although some families attended for the activities the children did not want the food offered and some families were later seen heading to McDonald's. I know this is only anecdotal evidence but I don't think either of those groups would count it a success.

FatimaMunchy · 23/10/2020 06:03

2019 not 2029 obviously.

ChloeDecker · 23/10/2020 06:17

I teach the child of one of those MPs and I just cannot fathom why they voted that way, considering some of their child’s classmates come from very challenging backgrounds. I’m just speechless.

FatimaMunchy · 23/10/2020 06:45

Perhaps you should ask them then Chloedecker. It would be interesting to know. My MP replies to letters and if he had voted would probably give a reason why, even if I didn't agree with it.

redskittleorangeskittle · 23/10/2020 06:52

Fatima munchy. - families were seen heading for Macdonalds were they? What absolute stereotypical nonsense.

pontiouspilates · 23/10/2020 06:56

Unsurprised to see mine in there. I've just tweeted him to ask his rationale for voting as he did.

annabel85 · 23/10/2020 07:00

@Gettinggrumpier

Please remember that the Labour party is not immune to a whole lot of criticism.

Low pay is often part of the problem. The Labour party thought it was a good idea to encourage employers to take people on and pay them less than a decent wage because the government will subside the poor pay with in work benefits.

There is therefore no incentive for employers to pay decent wages because if the worker went elsewhere they would get the same pay. So the government and tax payers pay employers to hire people, thus adding to the company's profits.

The system is odious but nobody will change it. This is what stinks and the consequences from it.

Yeah it's like the American tipping system. Companies pay staff a pittance and customers (I.e. the public) have to pay them a living wage via tips.

Anything to prop up the sham of 21st century Capitalism.

HandsOffMyRights · 23/10/2020 07:11

More 'justification'.Angry

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/conservative-mp-explains-voted-against-19150523

He says: "The best way to help those on low incomes is to use our welfare system as a safety net and invest and create new jobs to lift people out of poverty and into work so they can stand on their two feet."

mellongoose · 23/10/2020 07:14

Not one person on here has mentioned that this was an opposition day motion which would not have become law even if 650 MPs voted for it.

The political discourse in this country has become chilling and scary. I feel sorry for anyone who puts themselves forward for this shit.

FWIW kids will be in exactly the same position this October half term as they were last October half term. Except there will be more people on UC which is also scary and rubbish. But it is enough to feed your kids.

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