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AIBU to be shocked that this isn't common knowledge?

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DameFanny · 19/10/2020 19:47

If you go to the pub, or a restaurant, you're not supposed to mix households, or be outside your bubble.

I thought this was all pretty clear - you distance from anyone not in your bubble. 2 metres, or 1 metre with screens, masks or something similar.

And I haven't bothered with the pub or whatever because what's the fun in waving at people from behind a screen. But that's not what people are doing is it? They're sharing tables with friends and getting Covid. Even though it's illegal, and the pub/restaurant can be closed down for it.

I thought the people going out were mostly just eating in a different set of walls with their household - or the posturing mask debaters who tell us it's just a sniffle - but I was honestly shocked on another thread that this isn't common knowledge. How many people are breaking the law?

www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/restaurants-offering-takeaway-or-delivery

AIBU to be shocked that this isn't common knowledge?

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timeforanewstart · 19/10/2020 21:22

@MajesticWhine thats what I thought 1 m with migiation of varying factors and i didn't think pubs / restaurants have even been responsible for a huge percent of the numbers

timeforanewstart · 19/10/2020 21:23

@DameFanny where so you think the goverment will get this money from ?? Especially if hospitality was shut down again for months
You realise taxes fund the economy

FractionalGains · 19/10/2020 21:24

[quote timeforanewstart]@MajesticWhine thats what I thought 1 m with migiation of varying factors and i didn't think pubs / restaurants have even been responsible for a huge percent of the numbers [/quote]
They haven’t. They’re just an easy target for the government who wants to be seen to be doing something while not addressing the real causes of the spike.

MajesticWhine · 19/10/2020 21:25

Examples of mitigations (not exhaustive) :
Pre-order via app / paper form
Table and seating configuration
Remove multi-use items (menus)
Increased ventilation
Potential for test and trace

www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-two-metre-social-distancing-guidance/review-of-two-metre-social-distancing-guidance

Minniem2020 · 19/10/2020 21:25

I've been following the rules as much as possible but I'm now getting really confused as to what's allowed where etc. I also live just a mile from the Scottish border so this just adds to the confusion in this area

Treesofwood · 19/10/2020 21:25

I'm pleased people are meeting with one another Dumplingsandstew.
I don't think you should sit at a table wearing a mask, nor behind a screen. My question was why would anyone want to do that? As in noone would, and actually people need to have some connection with other human beings.

Bouledeneige · 19/10/2020 21:26

I'm in a high level area - confusingly tier 2 - so not the very high tier.

I am meeting a friend in an outdoor courtyard bar with heaters later in the week - we will have a couple of drinks or as long as we can last outdoors.

I think we will learn how to dress up jolly warm like the nordic countries do when they still sit in outdoor cafes. Sorry - I realise I am missing the point of the thread....

Treesofwood · 19/10/2020 21:26

Damefanny Exactly what do you think the government is going to support people with? Who's paying for it?

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DameFanny · 19/10/2020 21:27

Of course I'd call a child a disease vector @FractionalGains - don't you remember all the illnesses they bring home in primary?

I think the biggest mistake is in trying to get businesses back to normal already. These aren't normal times. Government should be supporting industries that need it - maybe s windfall tax on e.g. companies like Amazon that have been coining it - so we can have a proper pause until a genuine way forward - probably vaccination - can be found.

Or you can have a test and tracking system that actually works, but they've already spunked billions on one that doesn't

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Lazypuppy · 19/10/2020 21:27

@majesticwhine every pub or restaurant i've been to have done pretty much all of those! Its all worked really well

Hardbackwriter · 19/10/2020 21:28

They’re just an easy target for the government who wants to be seen to be doing something while not addressing the real causes of the spike.

And particularly hated on MN because it tends to a demographic that doesn't much go to the pub. Like, ahem, posters who start threads on how appalling it is that people aren't social distancing in pubs then casually mention halfway through that they don't actually go out in the evening any more since having a baby... Everyone thinks that the best thing to shut down is something that doesn't actually impact on them in any way.

Treesofwood · 19/10/2020 21:29

Damefanny do you work in hospitality?

Lazypuppy · 19/10/2020 21:31

@hardbackwriter

😂😂😂 so true!

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DameFanny · 19/10/2020 21:32

So the pre order and non paper menu is mitigation for infection between server and customer, and the test and trace is only mitigation for infection that's happened - so everything else just comes down to distancing (because extra ventilation isn't going to do a huge amount in a closed room)

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rumandbiscuits · 19/10/2020 21:32

Who would have thought this time last year they would be reading a judgey post on MN about going out for a meal with your friends or family (that don't live with you) being against the law?! Have we all totally lost the plot?!

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DameFanny · 19/10/2020 21:34

@rumandbiscuits

There's a pandemic on, nothing is normal. More bizarre to pretend that it should be.

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VoyageInTheDark · 19/10/2020 21:36

I get you OP. It's alarming how many people don't know this.

FractionalGains · 19/10/2020 21:37

@DameFanny

Of course I'd call a child a disease vector *@FractionalGains* - don't you remember all the illnesses they bring home in primary?

Or you can have a test and tracking system that actually works, but they've already spunked billions on one that doesn't

Well we can certainly agree on the track and trace farce!

Namechange313 · 19/10/2020 21:37

It’s boring now op, just get a life and stop rebellion in these draconian rules. This pandemic has really brought out the doom and gloomers

nosswith · 19/10/2020 21:41

OP, I am not shocked. The days of people buying newspapers or all watching tv news have gone, indeed went a while ago. So information does not get to everyone.

Then there are those who have avoided pubs or restaurants since Covid 19 started and so pay no attention to any changes.

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DameFanny · 19/10/2020 21:41

Nope @Namechange313 you're going to have run that one by me again. Autocorrect salad?

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HostessTrolley · 19/10/2020 21:42

@DameFanny

Not necessarily......

My dd(20) and her boyf have been in a relationship for more than 2.5 years. They spent six months together 24/7 through lockdown, she was at his family home when it was announced and stayed there. As things relaxed they spent some time in our home and some time in his, in minimum blocks of 2-3 weeks. No family members high risk or symptomatic/positive at any point on either side.

Now they’re both back at university in different towns. They both live in shared student flats. They can’t form a ‘bubble’ as neither are in single person households. One is in tier 1, the other is now tier 2. So she can visit him in his town, but neither can visit the other at their place of residence, but when they see each other they don’t need to stay 2m apart as they’re in a long term relationship. So they have to awkwardly hang out outdoors in the cold, can’t watch tv or cook together or any of the normal stuff that young couples do.

They are aware that they could ‘sneak’ their partner into their flat but having lost a chunk of first year, they both don’t want to put their flatmates in an awkward position, or risk being the cause of anyone having to isolate or miss any of their course.

It’s just bizarre. But they’re sensible young people trying to do the best they can, while being bright enough to see that the ever changing rules are quite nonsensical.

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DameFanny · 19/10/2020 21:44

I guess @nosswith, I was just shocked at how many people thought they were following the rules and really aren't

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Terralee · 19/10/2020 21:45

I dont watch the news as it's too depressing so I have no idea which tier I am supposed to be in.

I meet less than 6 of my family or friends at any one time in my home, or in a coffee shop or pub, we wear masks when we're supposed to & gel our hands a lot.
I generally socially distance but I did accidentally give my mum a hug earlier.

I'm unsure how many bubbles you're meant to be allowed or if they're still a thing?

I wear a mask in shops & public buildings etc & at work (a hospital), I go to the gym & clean the equipment before & after use. So you can't accuse me of not being careful!

I haven't got the Serco app as work ask us to switch it off there anyway. I don't trust Serco with my data.

I think regarding the above I'm typical of most people I know...

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DameFanny · 19/10/2020 21:45

They sound like good people @HostessTrolley - you must be proud

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