John Leslie - AIBU to agree that men accused of sexual assault should have anonymity until charged?

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Having 3 sons myself (and a daughter), cases like this are really worrying as people will always think ‘there’s no smoke without fire’.

I don’t understand why John Leslie didn’t sue the arse off that jibbering imbecile Wright or why Jonsson started the witch hunt then refused to speak out. That was what started off all the rest of the allegations and if, as it seems, he is entirely innocent, it is a disgusting travesty and has totally ruined his life.

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Bloody computer...........

One sex should not have that much power over the other when we are trying to achieve equality.

When it comes to rape one sex certainly does have the power over the other, and it's not women.

@callmeadoctor He was found not guilty due there being not enough evidence. That’s not the same as him being incontrovertibly innocent. It’s not ‘end of’ for the 30+ Women who came forward. It’s not ‘end of’ for Ulrica who, despite never having named him or directly accused him, has been dragged through the mud, judged, and defamed and will continue to be (as demonstrated upthread).

Just read his interview below about Ulrike. It's weird how he's angry at Ulrike even though she never named him and yet has forgiven Wright even though it was him who named him.

"I just hope she regrets doing what she did. It was brutal. Unforgivable, really."

He added: "She lit a fire and it went out of control. I haven’t spoken to her since. What could you say?"

But why is it up to her to exonerate him? Why not be angry at the person who blurted his name out?

@TheQuietWoman

I agree with every word you said.

I think it’s always more telling who doesn’t come out in defence of someone.

Ulrika Johnson had a responsability to other women she has failed to live up to.

What responsibility is that exactly? Women are not responsible for the actions of men, they are not responsible for fixing matters on behalf of men, and they are not responsible for preventing men carrying out actions that may harm others. The responsibility lies solely with the perpetrators.

If he raped Ulrika then she was wrong to not go to the police.

Ulrika Johnson had a responsability to other women she has failed to live up to.

Get tae fuck with that shite. How dare you. Disgusting. Reported.

@TheQuietWoman

No. It is the only crime where people clamour for anonymity and that is because it mainly impacts men's reputation. If men are given anonymity for this, why not every other crime? And one of the reasons men like John Warboys was caught, is because other women were able to come forward due to his name and identity being publicised.

Not only that, but false allegations for rape are very rare. On par with false allegations of other crimes so why pick this one out? Oh that's right. Because it impacts men and a substantial minority of them would like to attack and abuse women with no one hearing about it. And if we did permit anonymity for rape cases and nothing else, it would send out a very clear message to women that no one believes them and that society views them as liars. It plays into every misogynistic man's hands.

And it destroys their reputation and life, really? How come then I saw Mike Tyson on Good Morning Britain just a few days ago, promoting himself? How come those awful Rugby players swanned off to new clubs? Chef Evans too, while his victim had to emigrate? Emotional, manipulative claptrap, all designed to let men do what they want, especially to women and girls.

Well said.

@june2007

If he raped Ulrika then she was wrong to not go to the police. Say he is guilty of rapping others, her not saying anything could have put others at risk. Or perhaps he wasn,t the one who raped her? Or perhaps he was but hasn,t raped any one els? The fact is I don,t know but I do know I disagree with trial by media and Ulrika Johnson had a responsability to other women she has failed to live up to.

She is not responsible for anyone but herself.

There is no guarantee that reporting a rape will lead to the rapist being convicted or even charged. In fact it's highly unlikely so I don't buy this crap that rape victims have a duty to protect other women.

No she is not responable for the actions of men, but as a female her actions could potentially helped other females. A friend of mine had her case dropped due to lack of evidence, but at least she spoke up.

@june2007

No she is not responable for the actions of men, but as a female her actions could potentially helped other females. A friend of mine had her case dropped due to lack of evidence, but at least she spoke up.

How so?

Chances are the case would have been dropped and he would still be free to assault other women.

A friend of mine had her case dropped due to lack of evidence

I’m sure that made your friend feel wonderful.

What about your own rape case?

What was the outcome and are you glad you spoke up @june2007?

@june2007 why are women ‘females’ but males ‘men’ in your post?

Anyway, there could be any number of reasons why Ulrike didn’t go to the police, including believing she wouldn’t be believed and ruining her career. Why should she ruin her career for the sake of a couple of lines she wrote in her autobiography?

Could you imagine if every single rape was reported though? I actually think the legal system would break down because they wouldn't be able to cope with the number of cases .

Plus the majority still wouldn't go anywhere and I actually think it would add fuel to the fire for those who already think women make false accusations in droves.

june2007
The impact of reporting is horrific. I have no words over what I went through reporting mine. I never ever would report again.

Nonsense. Firstly, being found not guilty doesn’t mean someone didn’t commit a rape or sexual assault, secondly the rates of actual false allegations of these crimes are vanishingly small, and thirdly rape and sexual assault have been effectively decriminalised in this country have a look at our soul destroying conviction rates- so we should be focusing our energies on stopping men committing these crimes in the first place, getting them convicted when they do, and putting female victims at the centre of our thinking on how to prosecute sex assault . Not Men!!!

[quote Cadent]@june2007 why are women ‘females’ but males ‘men’ in your post?

Anyway, there could be any number of reasons why Ulrike didn’t go to the police, including believing she wouldn’t be believed and ruining her career. Why should she ruin her career for the sake of a couple of lines she wrote in her autobiography?[/quote]
Considering some of the resonses on this thread alone I actually don't blame her for thinking she wouldn't be believed.

And as we all know from the likes of the Harvey Weinstein revelations, speaking up is basically career suicide.

@Lifeaintalwaysempty

Nonsense. Firstly, being found not guilty doesn’t mean someone didn’t commit a rape or sexual assault, secondly the rates of actual false allegations of these crimes are vanishingly small, and thirdly rape and sexual assault have been effectively decriminalised in this country have a look at our soul destroying conviction rates- so we should be focusing our energies on stopping men committing these crimes in the first place, getting them convicted when they do, and putting female victims at the centre of our thinking on how to prosecute sex assault . Not Men!!!

This was response to OP I should’ve clarified that!