"Don't worry, we can just do it at mine instead"

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Lunch booking for group of 6 friends in London booked for Saturday. Obviously, can't go ahead now as the restaurant likely to be funny about 6 adults traipsing in. However the organiser has already announced to everyone that she'll just host at hers instead.

This attempt at lockdown just isn't going to work is it?

I've seriously been considering breaking the rules today. My children were due to spend half term with my parents who live in London. They've only seen them twice since March and the kids will be devastated when I get the courage to tell them that they can't go

The Borough they live in has one of the lowest rates in the city and we've all followed every rule so far. I probably won't but it doesn't stop me being really concerned for the mental health of both my parents and my children, I could just cry right now 😢

@Nottherealslimshady

YANBU I dont see why everyone cant just bloody follow the rules for a few weeks in the hope of having Christmas with our families

So all the single people should be alone for weeks on end so you can have Christmas with your families. This really is much bigger than Christmas. There are much bigger reasons to follow the rules rather than ‘won’t anyone thing of Christmas’

Try being in Liverpool where there’s people complaining that we’ve got unfair treatment then going to mass gatherings & saying they won’t be controlled

@alreadytaken

we've banned exposing other people to your passive smoke, it's the same thing.

You are potentially infecting others and you may not die, just be one of the 30% still breathless after 2 months or the 40% still fatigued then. And the bed you take up denies someone else health care - someone who may die or be pernanently disabled from it.

I'm not worried about dying. Still would say sorry I wont come (while mentally thinking because I'm not an arse and rethinking the friendship).

You know, you can’t just make up statistics.

In answer to an earlier poster

Nope -we're stuffed -
No person living in the Tier 2 area may participate in a gathering outside that area which— (a)consists of two or more people, and (b)takes place indoors

From government legislation (apologies for the link - it's too a pdf):
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I despair at some people. Often young people are given a hard time for being irresponsible and going out drinking etc. My DD moved to London 2 weeks ago and at age 22, despite having a full weekend of socialising planned, has cancelled everything and now only plans to meet one friend for a walk outdoors. She understand sacrifices have to be made if we want things to get back to normal sooner rather than later. And she would also like to come home to Scotland for Christmas if possible

Now covid might not get you BUT if you are in a car crash and the hsopital is snarled up with covid.... or you need cancer treatment and the hospital is snarled up with covid....or accident and you need the hospital etc etc.... then I imagine some might wonder if only they had just followed a few simple guidelines? so your trust didn't stop offering cancer reviews and treatment because 'covid' like so many did?

I tried to take my life twice in the first lockdown - Essex restrictions don't come into place until saturday but I am already petrified that my mental health will get that bad again. I fully understand why the restrictions are in place, and why we should all be following the rules, but I also fully understand why 'some people can't just follow the rules for a few weeks'. The fact is you don't know it will only be a few weeks, nobody knows what christmas will be like, nobody knows anything because nobody owns a crystal ball. People have lost all faith that our government are handling the situation well, and it's not surprising.

People die of things. Usually the old, the sick and the very young. Sometimes healthy people in their prime die through no fault of their own, sometimes as the fault of other people, like people killed in car crashes by careless or drunk drivers. Life means death.

If the NHS can't cope with the volume of sick people, ramp up the NHS and palliative care.

we've not banned cigarettes/tobacco which kills many millions every year

We have brought in restrictions to stop smokers killing other people, though. And that’s what this is about.

Risk your life if you like, don’t risk mine.

@Dozycuntlaters

I dont see why everyone cant just bloody follow the rules for a few weeks in the hope of having Christmas with our families

What about those who don't have families. What about the 95 year old I have befriended though age concern who faces another couple of weeks of total isolation if I can't go and see him. He has no family, he has nothing to look forward to through another lock down. What about those who need to go to work otherwise they face losing their houses. What about those who suffer from mental health conditions, what is it going to do to them. It's not so simple as stick to the rules. These restrictions will cause far more harm than covid will, but hey, as long as some people get to see their families for a jolly at christmas what does it matter.

THIS. With bells on.

Fuck Tier 2. I’m sick of it

@Doggybiccys

Smoking is not contagious.

@PostItJoyWeek

Yay . The answer . Train thousands of doctors and nurses in 12 weeks instead of years .

Why did we not all think of that .

[quote Unsure33]@PostItJoyWeek

Yay . The answer . Train thousands of doctors and nurses in 12 weeks instead of years .

Why did we not all think of that .[/quote]
Apparently people think we can whip up a vaccine and a nationwide track and trace system in a few weeks. What's the difference?

Spend money on furlough, lose money on lost taxes and people still get sick because it is a highly contagious virus.

Or

Spend money on the NHS, keep taxes rolling in, people get sick because there is a highly contagious virus around.

In all scenarios mostly the same people die just at different times. One option, the current method, screws us for decades. The other option screws us less in the long term.

[quote Tana433]@DappledOliveGroves. Its not a popular thing to agree with but i totally agree with you on this. I think a lot of people feel the same but it is not a view people are happy to express out loud, at least in the circles i mix in.[/quote]
Yep. And me @DappledOliveGroves

I don't blame her. The virus isn't going away so we alk need to just get on with it.

Outer London borough list
“the Outer London Area” means the area comprising the London boroughs of:
Barnet
Bexley
Bromley
Croydon
Enfield
Harrow
Havering
Hillingdon,
Hounslow
Kingston-upon-Thames
Redbridge
Richmond-upon-Thames
Sutton
Waltham Forest

Is that a joke !! Of course it does you aren’t suppose to just go to another city to mix with everyone else 🙈🙈 here when we had local lockdowns people were being asked for ID to prove they were local & not coming from locked down places

Not allowed (that's my understanding of the rules).

A work colleague (early 20s) lives in central London and shares flat with 2 others.
When they announced you couldnt meet friends outside your household in pubs and restaurants, he just laughed and said "well thats not going to work is it? If I'm asked I'll just say whoever's I'm with is my flat mate..."

Apparently the higher tier applies if there’s a mix of tiers involved. And Tier Two people are supposed to restrict travel for work, supporting a vulnerable person or other essential need, not for social visits.

It’s the small number ( probably not so small now) who’ve been disregarding the rules on an ongoing basis who are foolishly adding to deaths, prolonging the crisis. This is tragic for those who’ve died, got long Covid and lost loved ones. It’s also wrecking the economy and the future of young people and many others. Unfortunately many students and young people do not realise the consequences nor do the other rule benders and breakers who are old enough to know better. Successful countries in general have a more responsible and respectful to others approach and less public undermining of their government.

I am currently suffering from Covid, it’s awful. We are in a tier 2 restriction area and of late been lapse with adhering to the rules seeing family members etc when we shouldn’t be mixing. I am petrified other family members will get this, my parents especially. I will probably know have to wait another 2 weeks before I know if I have infected anyone. So on top of having the illness I am now worried sick for my other family members. I just don’t think lunches/nights out etc is worth it. People keep going on about their freedoms, and we have to live etc. People are dying with this disease please think about that.

London (as far as I understand it) is going to tier 2 and as such, groups of 6 are fine in outdoor settings and gardens... can you eat in her garden or is it not ok/realistic?

If not, explain it to her. Complaining to us is pointless.

I get confused with all this tbh.

All these lockdowns are going to take far more lives than saving them.

The poverty from job loses, Loneliness, helplessness and uncertainty is going sadly drive many to suicide,

I say go to your friends house.