Liverpool Mayor acknowledges school Covid transmission

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Please see the tweet from the mayor.

Acknowledging that schools in Liverpool have more cases than hospitality. So with the highest tiered area, schools have contributed to infection rise.

twitter.com/mayor_anderson/status/1316106358664695808?s=20

Me on Saturday to No 10 officials “Gyms are safer than supermarkets, more COVID-19 transmissions come from our schools and retail than Gyms” response “we are not closing schools or restricting retail, so we can only go for Hospitality & leisure.“
Government decision not ours!

@Autumngoldleaf

Our scientist s have clearly stated that school children cannot transmit the virus.

Dr Jenny Harries carefully explained that children are sat at a sd with seats facing forward. Teachers remain sd at the front.

There for it cannot be transmitted in school.

Have you been inside a school?! There is NO social distancing. None.

walksen Wed 14-Oct-20 19:50:43

^^ that's absolutely awful!

ballsdeep Wed 14-Oct-20 20:44:59

I have yes - its jenny h who said the measures in place would be enough to be safe, I am absolutely furious with her.

Our scientist s have clearly stated that school children cannot transmit the virus.

Dr Jenny Harries carefully explained that children are sat at a sd with seats facing forward. Teachers remain sd at the front.

There for it cannot be transmitted in school.

Never heard so much bollox in my entire life!!

I thought it had been established a while ago that Autumngoldleaf was being sarcastic?

That's good to hear, I wouldn't want to stick around anywhere that wasnt. I wonder if it's to do with the type of venue. A lot of the pubs and bars round here are geared up to large groups of drinkers (mostly students/groups of people) and there's definitely not much been happening in the way of covid regulation. I suppose if you have the type of clientele who aren't particularly worried there's no incentive to look like your sticking to the rules since it won't put your customers off. I suspect there's alot of places like this with big uni population - it's like a massive industry surrounding the university's.

Ktp100

😂well said!!

I feel furious for teachers. In years to come the government should be sued by relatives of the teachers, who die or suffer long term health effects. How can other professionals be allowed to socially distance and wear PPE but teachers denied this. It's clear in the statistics that professions like taxi drivers who weren't wearing masks initially have died. As an ex teacher I know how utterly exhausting teaching was before all this. I can't even imagine the difficulty of asking pupils to follow additional rules like this that are quite unnatural to them.

For younger children cough up the cash to employ more teachers so class sizes can be brought down to a safe level.

You've costed this presumably

On pubs, the vast majority are paying lip service to social distancing.

Yeah we are tier 3, we haven't got the highest R rate or positive case rate but lock us down.

Why is that?

Managed decline in a different guise

This head teacher's thread about how DFE and PHE are responding to multiple infections in schools is horrifying.

They are being told that there's no need to report further infections or investigate potential outbreaks. Just manage it yourself and limit how many kids you send home.

We are spraying all desks with antiviral spray at the end of every lesson. Students sanitise their hands on entry and exit. We all wear masks unless seated at a desk. There is hazard tape on the floor between my teaching space and the desks - no one crosses it without a mask. Cases in our school continue to rise! We need a pause/circuit breaker and a rethink.

Absolutely on board with blended learning. But many of my colleagues, never mind students, don’t have computer access at home. That needs solving first.

@LastGoldenDaysOfSummer

Teachers have been saying this for minths but the Us4Them mob just tell them to get on with it. Their health doesn't matter.

Schools can't close is the mantra but slowly they are. How many ill teachers will it take before the government admits their mistake?

I like Us4Them, they’ve done a great job. Schools need to stay open.

And there’s no such thing as blended learning. It’s a twee little phrase which means that some kids will learn a tiny bit and some will learn nothing.
Schools must stay open.

@Izzidigne

I feel furious for teachers. In years to come the government should be sued by relatives of the teachers, who die or suffer long term health effects. How can other professionals be allowed to socially distance and wear PPE but teachers denied this. It's clear in the statistics that professions like taxi drivers who weren't wearing masks initially have died. As an ex teacher I know how utterly exhausting teaching was before all this. I can't even imagine the difficulty of asking pupils to follow additional rules like this that are quite unnatural to them.

Teachers can and do wear masks in my children’s school.

Us4Them don’t want anyone to wear masks in schools and have lately been in the news complaining that not having the class sing Happy Birthday to their child is a ‘detrimental measure’ because it makes the child feel less special.

Not sure why anyone would say they’re doing a good job unless it’s of demonstrating what little grip they have on reality.

Us4them started off well imo, but recently seem to have become overrun with anti-vax conspiracy theorists who won't accept anything but the normal. At least the scottish group has.

@Mintychoc1

And there’s no such thing as blended learning. It’s a twee little phrase which means that some kids will learn a tiny bit and some will learn nothing. Schools must stay open.

But the point is if there are too many ill staff then schools can’t stay open no matter how much parents and teachers want them to. No where is open as normal so I can’t understand this obsession from many in U4T that schools must be.

In terms of mask wearing, I believe the government should mandate it for all secondary schools in tier 2 and 3 and give adequate funding for masks not leave it to head teachers to decide if they are allowing them. All school staff should be given the option to wear a mask in the classroom without fear of repercussions and this should be written in schools guidance. There is too much variation at the moment on these points. We have been told no masks or visors anywhere on the school site and close the windows and doors when children say they are cold. Shouldn’t be allowed to do this.

@StatisticallyChallenged

Us4them started off well imo, but recently seem to have become overrun with anti-vax conspiracy theorists who won't accept anything but the normal. At least the scottish group has.

I would rewrite this as:

Us4them started off well imo, but recently seem to have become were always overrun with anti-vax conspiracy theorists who won't accept anything but the normal.

'Schools must stay open' - I always imagine this said in Veruca Salt's voice, complete with a little footstamp.

Yes, even if half the teachers are off, and half the kids isolating, and the whole thing blatantly not working, let's keep schools open for the parents who can't deal with reality.

The Liverpool mayor is making a decision today on whether to close schools for an extra week over half term so schools closing in Merseyside is a real possibility. We will find out by lunchtime today apparently.

@PracticingPerson

'Schools must stay open' - I always imagine this said in Veruca Salt's voice, complete with a little footstamp.

Yes, even if half the teachers are off, and half the kids isolating, and the whole thing blatantly not working, let's keep schools open for the parents who can't deal with reality.

This ! I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this !

Certainly the Scottish one, to begin with, wasn't overrun. It was mainly normal parents who just wanted their kids back in educational after we were told that in some areas they were going to get 1-2 days a week of face to face teaching. Once the schools reopened those normal parents went back to normal life and the loons became prominent. They now shout down anyone who questions them or accepts things like masks. They write false legalise letters threatening to sue of their child is tested - they consider the test horribly invasive. They are a very different group to the group which sprung up over summer.

The parents who are happy to accept compromises (masks, windows, outdoor pe, bubbles, etc etc) mostly don't post now because they get abuse.

To those who say it's more important that schools stay open than that people get to go for a pint, that schools have to stay open to protect jobs but pubs and restaurants aren't important- the hospitality industry alone comprises almost 10% of the UK workforce. Almost 2.5 million people - business owners and their staff, suppliers, producers. It has already been hammered by the pandemic with the loss of many jobs. If the entire industry goes under that would treble the current unemployment rate. And that's before you take into account job losses in fitness and the arts.

It's incredibly selfish to call for schools to remain open at all costs if that is the cost.

Look at what’s reported here from Sky about teaching staff for those who insist schools are kept open at all costs. It would be unsustainable in this situation.