Liverpool Mayor acknowledges school Covid transmission

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Please see the tweet from the mayor.

Acknowledging that schools in Liverpool have more cases than hospitality. So with the highest tiered area, schools have contributed to infection rise.

twitter.com/mayor_anderson/status/1316106358664695808?s=20

Me on Saturday to No 10 officials “Gyms are safer than supermarkets, more COVID-19 transmissions come from our schools and retail than Gyms” response “we are not closing schools or restricting retail, so we can only go for Hospitality & leisure.“
Government decision not ours!

She is not just "anyone" she is our deputy chief medical officer.😂😂😂😂😂

Like anyone listens to the crap she spouts.

If you look at the stats thread in the coronavirus topic, the areas of Liverpool with the most cases are in the centre/university areas, and in areas which are quite or very deprived. That doesn't mean that schools aren't a main source of transmission, I am sure they are, but it's not that simple.

But what do you want them to do??

I want them to give teachers the same protection as other workers. Masks to be worn by all in schools and if social distancing isn't possible then only half the children in at a time. The rest of the time distance learning.

For younger children cough up the cash to employ more teachers so class sizes can be brought down to a safe level.

How will they learn properly, how will parents work and keep a roof over their heads if they now have to stay home ?!

You really can't expect teachers to risk their health to save your job. Can't you see how unfair that is? Make schools safer for teachers and children. That's the answer. Not throwing teachers under a bus.

But what do you want them to do??

Line pupils up outside and let them in a few at a time like at the supermarket?

Let half work from home like business?

School is uniquely the only place where SD does not matter and currently school is more like the Liverpool Street party than anywhere else.

How will they learn properly, how will parents work and keep a roof over their heads if they now have to stay home ?!

Even if children missed a year of education they could still catch up; go to college; end up at uni.
However the argument that gyms and pubs should shut first is disgusting. It’s basically saying that parents jobs should be given priority and other people’s livelihoods should be sacrificed to accommodate this. Not to mention the point about teachers health being put at risk to accommodate them.

As a part of the industry with many friends in it,I am incredibly angry at the restrictions in hospitality without proper support. Gyms too. I have friends who are losing their livelihoods and starting to fall into bad MH state. They need the support and what gov does isn't cutting it.

However, considering the levels of illiteracy in the UK I think that they should do anything to not to close schools again...

Also, the last night. 99.9999% of local resident weren't part of it. Disgraceful behaviour by the few.

In economic terms, it’s got to be better surely to close the schools than businesses. Parents can work from home, juggle hours around each other, use childcare providers etc. Far less primary aged parents than workers in all those areas easily.

Sad people expect staff to risk themselves for their own gain.

Assume all on this thread have seen and have opinions on the age breakdowns in the ONS infection survey data especially as they break down by school stage?

I haven’t seen the figures on transmission in schools in Liverpool - can anyone share the data to mayor is referring to?

The same Dr Jenny Harries who said the UK had been an 'international exemplar in preparedness' for the coronavirus crisis?

Yeeeah, I don't really listen to her anymore.

With numbers rising as they are, it's only a matter of time before schools are being forced to close left right and centre anyway.

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Teachers have been saying this for minths but the Us4Them mob just tell them to get on with it. Their health doesn't matter.

Schools can't close is the mantra but slowly they are. How many ill teachers will it take before the government admits their mistake?

I think this is the point, though. Teachers ‘can’t catch’ Covid from children so if they get sick from it it’s because of their feckless behaviour outside of school therefore, once enough teachers are sick and schools have to close because there aren’t enough staff, it will be the schools fault, not the government.

Win win if you’re Boris - parents of primary age children are in school to the bitter end and then when the schools close, the teachers get the blame because it won’t be government mandated.

everyone in retail is wearing masks so how is it spreading this way?

everyone in retail is wearing masks so how is it spreading this way?

Masks reduce but do not eliminate transmission risk.

Not everyone wears masks.

People make mistakes.

Dr Jenny Harries carefully explained that children are sat at a sd with seats facing forward. Teachers remain sd at the front.

Jenny Harries might be great at science (and someone I know has been in meetings with her and really rates her) but she apparently knows fuck all about children in schools.

Do you know what children in seats facing forward do? They turn their heads to talk. Genius.

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Assume all on this thread have seen and have opinions on the age breakdowns in the ONS infection survey data especially as they break down by school stage?

I haven’t seen the figures on transmission in schools in Liverpool - can anyone share the data to mayor is referring to?

They don't nicely break down by school stage - they've got Y7-11 (worryingly rising - second highest age group infection rate) and then they lump in sixth form with uni students which is really unhelpful for those of us who teach sixth form or college kids.

My experience of schools so far: 2and week a positive case in a class I teach, 22 kids isolating leaving me with 6 pupils. So disrupted education. Last week another class loses half the pupils. Disrupted education. This week another positive case is another class. I'm left with 12 pupils out of 29 until after half term. Yesterday a student is absent as older sibling tested positive. Today another pupil off as parent tested positive. Now waiting to see if those classes are decimated. A total of 10 cases in 5 weeks. Over 400 pupils isolating on Monday. Schools are not covid safe and no way can provide a proper education currently.

They don't nicely break down by school stage - they've got Y7-11 (worryingly rising - second highest age group infection rate) and then they lump in sixth form with uni students which is really unhelpful for those of us who teach sixth form or college kids.

Agree that it’s probably unhelpful to someone however you cut the data - clumsy of me to suggest otherwise. The most usual I’ve seen previously has been 10-18/19 which feels just as unhelpful in terms of the picture it paints.

Ideal would be entirely broken down by education stage - so splitting out sixth form and college age from university, but still keeping the split between Y11 and Y12 as the rate of increase (appears) quite different.

I don't know.How can there be quality statistics on transmission in pubs? Some say you need the app to buy a drink/food but many many don't and are supposed to take contact details but don't. It's all about making Maximum profit and the staff are often not too worried since they're generally young and low risk. You can't get around the school register though can you

Does anyone really think schools are currently delivering a quality education?

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I don't know.How can there be quality statistics on transmission in pubs? Some say you need the app to buy a drink/food but many many don't and are supposed to take contact details but don't. It's all about making Maximum profit and the staff are often not too worried since they're generally young and low risk. You can't get around the school register though can you

Every place I have been to since July was absolutely great. Book ahead, clean, distanced etc. All took my details in some way. I have not been contacted by T&T. So I believe there are data. The only reason I would question the data is the track and trace fuck up, rather than how pubs/restaurants handled it.

@Venicelover no. i don't think they are

Kids need to go to schools though 🤷🏻‍♀️ We don't need to eat and drink out

Anyone who thinks teenage kids are sitting nicely at distanced, front-facing desks all day is in LaLa land. Yes we can control the position of the desks and insist on the seating plan for lessons. But they turn round, they go outside for break and lunch and cuddle up in the playground, they are by necessity unsupervised between lessons for a few minutes while teachers travel to another Year Base, and finally as anyone who has ever been a parent knows, they don't always do what they're told! As teachers we are trying so hard to stay 2m from the kids, and washing hands and insisting they do too, but in the end we all have to fit through the same corridors and doorways, touch the same doors etc. We are currently having to feed kids in their Year Bases, which means teachers are becoming dinner ladies and serving food (gloved) but you can't have eyes in the back of your head and you don't know who is sharing potato wedges out of the same container - you just can't monitor everything. And we are tired after 6 weeks of disruption and upheaval, as are the kids - resistance is probably lower than it was at the start of term. People who don't go into schools need to realise they cannot be safe all the time with the best will in the world.

Also the same Dr Jenny Harries who said that 5 year olds do not share food so it is okay to bring in lunch from home - but not pencils. She has literally never met a small child.

what are the people in hospitality jobs supposed to do though? is it fair they lose jobs yet the designer clothes shops and corner shop all remain open with those workers keeping their jobs?

students out there hoping to work in hospitality,become chefs etc are still studying those subjects.

Positive cases in schools in my LA, low risk area, are rising week on week. Last week they had doubled.