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To find Prince William a bit smug

534 replies

strawberriesandpecans · 08/10/2020 12:42

I'm sure he means well, it's just that he seems to be lecturing everyone on the environment while he travels by helicopter a lot and has a mansion. Also I just find them quite twee and irritating, particularly at the moment when so many people are struggling. AIBU?

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Soupcon · 15/10/2020 22:50

Why would it? They’re your royal family, I’m just a baffled observer wondering about all the forelock-tugging. It’s like an extreme version of the Mn truism that genuine aristocrats are humble, self-effacing, and live in rags and tumbledown mansions, while new money is flashy, snobby and vulgar.

Someone asked for evidence of royal ‘dimness‘. I merely pointed out that it’s curious that two such academically average boys were accepted to a very oversubscribed, academically-selective school and achieved exam results which must have put them near the bottom of their respective cohorts, based on average Eton GCSE and A-level grades.

Rather like their father and uncle, who both got into Cambridge with A-level performances that were the reverse of dazzling.

Andante57 · 15/10/2020 23:01

Soupçon yes well that’s interesting.
So if exam results are a test of intelligence presumably you think Boris Johnson is extremely intelligent and Jeremy Corbyn is pretty dim?

ajandjjmum · 15/10/2020 23:26

I've never tugged a forelock in my life.

Neither have I judged others purely on the evidence of their academic achievements - I can see beyond that. Shame others can only see a situation through their own perspective.

Autumngoldleaf · 16/10/2020 00:07

Soup, I imagine the brutal death of their mother and the subsequent horrific fall out, stealing by burrel, red tops, inquests... Headlines that she was pregnant, killed... On and on, severely impacted their education.

I really don't feel they had the best chance do you?

Re the others.... Well.... Not sure there are any mitigation

chillicheesebuns · 16/10/2020 01:16

Prince William is not dim nor is Catherine. They're above average in terms of intelligence. That's a fact

Congratulations on being able to type that with a straight face. Grin Grin Grin

MangoFeverDream · 16/10/2020 06:51

Unless you consider those people to be what a PP has kindly called 'very, very dim', and therefore their opinions don't count over those with superior intellect

The RF have no expertise in anything. Why should anyone listen to them? There’s really no good reason.

Prince William is not dim nor is Catherine. They're above average in terms of intelligence. That's a fact

A fact is it? And how are you privy to their IQ scores? Both are singularly unaccomplished despite the best educations and only serve to highlight other people’s achievements.

But completely uneducated celebs happily do the job too (and from what I hear raise more money than the RF manage)

Roussette · 16/10/2020 07:06

Ridiculous argument to talk about their intelligence or not. I'm sure they're pretty average, and that's OK. not above average, no, because of the opportunities to shine at the best schools in the land.
But what do I know, I left school at 15 with barely anything to my name, and I consider myself fairly intelligent...

It's all irrelevant for them because they've never had to draw on anything to make something of themselves, they've never had to take risks or push themselves forward to get on. If they don't know what to put in a talk or a speech, they've got someone to pull all the facts together for them, they don't have to take risks, so being very intelligent for them really isn't necessary.

ajandjjmum · 16/10/2020 08:32

But completely uneducated celebs happily do the job too (and from what I hear raise more money than the RF manage)

Where do you hear that?

bluebell34567 · 16/10/2020 09:38

i cant know about their intelligence levels -not sure of Harry- but especially Kate has a very strong personality. she endured a lot and never lost focus. she is very dignified.

Soupcon · 16/10/2020 09:39

@Andante57

Soupçon yes well that’s interesting. So if exam results are a test of intelligence presumably you think Boris Johnson is extremely intelligent and Jeremy Corbyn is pretty dim?
I made no comment whatsoever upon their intelligence. The 'interesting' thing is a pattern of members of the royal family managing to access highly academically-selective schools and universities, supposedly on merit, with educational achievements considerably below the usual requirements for admission.
bluebell34567 · 16/10/2020 09:49

and Kate has a very good family which support her to the end.

MangoFeverDream · 16/10/2020 10:39

ajandjjmum

www.giving-evidence.com/2020/07/16/royal-findings

Good overview here. You may also want to compare, for a more concrete example, Ed Sheeran’s work (and actual donations!) to EACH as compared to KM. That’s just one example.

notafanoftheman · 16/10/2020 10:55

that is super interesting, mangofeerdream. Thanks.

notafanoftheman · 16/10/2020 10:56

If we abolished the royals, all the money we spend on them could be channeled straight to the charities they are patrons of. streamlining. cutting out the middle man. That's got to be more effective, right?

Roussette · 16/10/2020 11:42

I don't think what Kate has 'endured' even touches the sides of what some people in this country endure and will continue to endure. In fact I don't know of anything she has endured in that context. Hmm

ajandjjmum · 16/10/2020 12:05

Mango

That was really interesting to read, and I am surprised that there is not more financial benefit to having a Royal patron - although it is one report.

I thought it was good to see that 36% of the charity time given, was to organisations that had been set up by the Royal in question - makes sense that they support issues they are specifically interested in.

I suppose the option is always there for the Royal Patrons to be dropped, if they offer no benefit, although (with the exception of Andrew?), I can't recall that happening. The QM was Patron of a school near me, and Edward has now taken over. He has visited a couple of times, and it certainly gives the school a boost, with the children all coming out to wave at the helicopter - and the associated press coverage. Minor thing, but a boost to many in the community, and nice pictures for the local paper.

There is also the benefit to charity staff morale, and the fact that RF involvement offers a level of comfort to potential donors, as they assume the RF will have checked out the charities for any 'uncomfortable' issues. Obviously this has not always been reliable! Grin

Ed Sheeran is incredibly generous - hats off to him. Many celebs not so much. As it's private, we'll never know what donations HM makes.

I do think that one important thing that can't have a price put on it, is the number of smiles created by the RF when they make visits/host events/talk to people. I do think it is a shame when people undervalue their efforts, on many occasions because they pay no attention/have no knowledge of the work that goes on behind the scenes.

Of course, there are also the schemes that have impacted the lives of so many people - The Prince's Trust/Duke of Edinburgh - which have relied on time and inspiration, rather than just cash.

I'm obviously a royalist, and fortunately the majority of UK citizens are currently. I do respect the views of those who aren't, even if I don't like the aggressive way they go about stating them at times!

notafanoftheman · 16/10/2020 12:26

I found it very telling that there is very little royal involvement in housing charities for example. It’s because that you know full well they have very little leg to stand on when it comes to arguing about housing provision in this country. Personally I find the fact that all omist if involvement goes on their own personal hand-picked causes kind of sinister but there you go.

Vello · 16/10/2020 12:38

Yeah, I could do without being told off about my consumption by a fucking PRINCE.

They should talk less and wave more.

TheKeatingFive · 16/10/2020 12:41

They should talk less and wave more.

Grin
MillieVanilla · 16/10/2020 12:42

Not smug no
I think he looks like he drives a Volvo and works in middle management in Barclays Bank

ajandjjmum · 16/10/2020 13:32

"We know that she will not only relate to the work that SAUK does in supporting those with scoliosis and their families and raise awareness of scoliosis, but also help to raise the profile of the charity and expand its appeal and its message. Stephanie Clark, co-founder and chair of SAUK, says: "I am absolutely delighted and grateful that Princess Eugenie is to be our Royal Patron.
"Her bravery and experience makes this a very personal decision, and will continue to offer encouragement to the many people of all ages who are struggling to come to terms with their scoliosis."

I think this is a great patronage for Eugenie - she's shown such support already.

AuntMasha · 16/10/2020 13:36

“ God help those of us who didn't go to uni - our dimness must know no bounds!

I don't even have an issue with you not supporting a royal family - your choice - but to imply that someone who doesn't meet your standards is dim, is just unpleasant. Sorry.”

Again, You’ve attributed a whole bunch of stuff to my sentence which I never stated. I do not look down on anyone who didn’t go to university, I didn’t go myself - I am not an intellectual snob or an unpleasant person. I’m not fully British and I am perplexed by the popularity of people who come across as unfeeling and emotionally cold, who have in one case committed alleged offences against minors, who gave a known paedophile bishop a house, who hobnobbed with Jimmy Savile. It utterly confuses me.

As for their, well shall we say limited outlook, this is hardly surprising considering their unreal, sheltered lives. Many a royal biographer has stated as much. The Windsors are quite interbred, having married first cousins for successive generations. I’m not the first person to note their limited outlook and I won’t be the last. You’ll have to take it up with Spitting Image, The Windsors and numerous comics too, since they imply the same thing.

Roussette · 16/10/2020 13:39

She had a big op when she was 12 for scoliosis so it obviously means a lot to her

AuntMasha · 16/10/2020 13:57

I apologise if I came across as aggressive, I know I can be a little too forthright at times.

Andante57 · 16/10/2020 14:28

@AuntMasha

I apologise if I came across as aggressive, I know I can be a little too forthright at times.
Yes you do come across as aggressive. Maybe look at your own faults before criticising others so much.