To find Prince William a bit smug

[strawberriesandpecans]

I'm sure he means well, it's just that he seems to be lecturing everyone on the environment while he travels by helicopter a lot and has a mansion. Also I just find them quite twee and irritating, particularly at the moment when so many people are struggling. AIBU?

You have no idea what is going on in people's heads.

I never thought I did have I just meant Harry and Megan seem more relatable (to me) because they're not trying to present the Boden catalogue happy families image.

they're not trying to present the Boden catalogue happy families image That's Catherine's way. Her mother was castigated for sewing on all her children's name tapes on school uniform and games kit.
They had everything new. For this sin she was gossiped about by the snobbish mothers at Wellington.
The last time we saw Archie he was dressed in a vest and a nappy. Is that relatable? I found it a bit odd.

I don't think she does have a choice really. PW is desperate to show he has the perfect family and doubtless the RF will make her life hell if she left. Media would probably turn on her too. Don't think her family would be too happy as her mum was desperate for Kate to marry Wills.
I'm not sure why she press are so keen to vilify Harry. They should be doing that to his vile uncle, who for some reason we never hear about.

@derxa

But all the above examples have made their own success, except for landed gentry. They have had to work very hard to hang on to what they have got. At least with Harry and Megan you can see they have problems and are more real. What an odd insight. Every human being is 'real' with their own fears and worries. You have no idea what is going on in people's heads.

It’s amazing how people imagine they know other people when all they have to go on is a public image on an online impression if passing judgements.

@Rosebel

I don't think she does have a choice really. PW is desperate to show he has the perfect family and doubtless the RF will make her life hell if she left. Media would probably turn on her too. Don't think her family would be too happy as her mum was desperate for Kate to marry Wills. I'm not sure why she press are so keen to vilify Harry. They should be doing that to his vile uncle, who for some reason we never hear about.

You appear to have the wrong end of the stick, here. William and Kate - and her parents - appear to be decent people. The Harkles are a mess.

Surely it's all a matter of opinion?

There are plenty of people who can believe Harry and Meghan are decent people, and that dislike Wandering Willy and stalker Kate. Kate's mother is the British Kris Jenner and I don't buy that Party Pieces made them wealthy or that they are multi-millionaires.

None of us actually know them, we can only judge by their public behaviour. IMO the Cambridge's behaviour has been atrocious, while the Sussexes have handled things badly but ultimately haven't done anything wrong.

I'm not sure why she press are so keen to vilify Harry. They should be doing that to his vile uncle, who for some reason we never hear about.

I agree. Perhaps Harry has been thrown under the bus as a distraction

The way they dress their children is ridiculous. It isn't 1947

I dont really understand how someone can marry an heir to the throne knowing that your child will be born into a life that is predetermined and a job over which they have no say. George is being groomed for a life about which he has no choice- the ridiculous Christmas pudding making was heartbreaking.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50879901

I cant understand how any woman who can be that selfish for herself an her ambition as to have child who is that put upon from birth.

It really annoyed me that William allowed David Attenborough to present Prince George with that fossilised shark's tooth.

Leaving aside the fact the tooth might not even have been Attenborough's to present, why, oh why do people insist on showering gifts on royal children who already have everything?

Why not give the fossil to a child from a deprived background or one who is suffering from serious illness - a child who'd really appreciate it rather than a child for whom it will be just one of hundreds of amazing possessions?

Perhaps her ambition was just to live in a palace with servants, sit on a throne, be famous, who knows BathtubGin

Malta asked for that fossil back Pelleas

Pelleas
I'm glad you mentioned that. I totally agree. That tooth could have been presented to a School where it would mean so much more.
I just found it all a bit much, I know it was part of PWs aim to talk of conservation and the environment but blimey, how lucky were those three kids to have a one to one with David Attenborough.

I'm not surprised he went off the rails when he was younger or ended up with someone like Megan.

@strawberriesandpecans

Malta asked for that fossil back Pelleas

I hope it is returned to them!

My point is that William and Kate were quite happy for the artefact to be squirrelled away as one of George's possessions without a thought for the wider joy it could bring to other children.

Shame on Attenborough for not thinking of that either - or considering whether Malta might want their treasure back. The whole incident was shameful and selfish.

To be fair I've read that the old fashioned clothing is an anti-kidnap/privacy measure, and that the children dress normally when not being photographed. Otoh my mum liked to dress me in little smock dresses and stuff, so some mums just find that style of children's clothes sweet.

To be fair I've read that the old fashioned clothing is an anti-kidnap/privacy measure, and that the children dress normally when not being photographed.

Surely that would remove the whole (rather far-fetched) point of the twee clothing being an anti-kidnap measure, as they're unlikely to be kidnapped from the middle of a photoshoot? Or is the logic that a potential kidnapper will not recognise Prince George wearing tracksuit bottoms and a Minecraft tshirt with hair gel because he's so used to him being dressed like Christopher Robin?

The old fashioned clothes probably help the children - wear these for 'official' events and then normal for everyday life. Bit like having a 'good dress' for church where you knew you had to sit properly and behave.

@chillicheesebuns

To be fair I've read that the old fashioned clothing is an anti-kidnap/privacy measure, and that the children dress normally when not being photographed. Otoh my mum liked to dress me in little smock dresses and stuff, so some mums just find that style of children's clothes sweet.

When Charles and Diana split she made a point of ending the stupid clothes and dressing the boys from GAP.

The whole smocks thing is just silly.

George doesn't look that bad and I did see pictures of all the children playing somewhere when the boys looked quite normal in t shirts and shorts but Charlotte still had a ridiculous dress on.
I do think it's traditional for the children to be dressed this way but not sure if Zara and Peter do it with their children. Then again they aren't the children of the future King (if that makes a difference?)

Finally... somebody said it!

So...so.. smug and its really not a good sign at all!

Everyone goes on about poor William loosing his mum and seem to forget Harry dealt with the same thing a lot younger

My impression is the opposite. The image of little Harry walking behind the coffin is remembered vividly by many people and mentioned over and over again as a reason for him being screwed up.

William is probably just as screwed up but in a different way.

My opinions in relation to views on this thread:
I agree that it is inappropriate for William to put his hand on another woman's waist whilst talking to her.
I agree that Kate consciously presents herself as bland. I agree that this is disappointing. She can be politically neutral but still have opinions on things!
I don't blame Harry for doing what he has done and I like Meghan. I think they were mistaken to lecture us about climate change as it was blatant hypocracy but they were right to criticise Trump as anyone with any influence should do what they can to encourage people to vote him out.
But the thing I most strongly disagree with is that the Queen is amazing/played a blinder/the only admirable royal etc etc...
She is protecting her son from being investigated for child sex trafficking and sex with a minor. Two women who married into her most influential of familes complained of lack of support and loneliness. Her family continue to shoot animals for fun in their leisure time. Her husband has made prejudiced comments in the past. All these things taken together do not suggest that she is deserving of the praise she receives. It is baffling to me a reeks almost of mass brainwashing...

@Pelleas

It really annoyed me that William allowed David Attenborough to present Prince George with that fossilised shark's tooth.

Leaving aside the fact the tooth might not even have been Attenborough's to present, why, oh why do people insist on showering gifts on royal children who already have everything?

Why not give the fossil to a child from a deprived background or one who is suffering from serious illness - a child who'd really appreciate it rather than a child for whom it will be just one of hundreds of amazing possessions?

There are lots of fossilised shark teeth on beaches. Anyone can go and collect them.

Can't see why they can't be allowed to choose their own children's clothes.