To think new laws are needed ASAP to protect Mrs Hinch and other influencers

[vkocy]

Mrs Hinch has the number 1 best selling book at the moment where she goes into the heartbreaking trolling she received on tattle. They've been critical at everything from her weight, to her parenting and how her husband looks. It's virtually broken her at times and she felt like quiting the internet all together.

Why isn't this illegal today? Why do people think it's acceptable to give harrasment and hate speech because someone makes their money on social media. In no other workplace would this be accepted. Have people forgotten that Caroline Flack took her own life and nothing has changed :(

You live by the sword, you die by the sword. It’s not nice that people in the public eye are criticised so widely on SM, but equally, unless they are willing to forgo that particular cash cow, then it is completely inevitable. But it’s not illegal and neither should it be. Free speech and all.

1st influencers need to be held to the advertising code like the major advertisers they are. Ie: not targeting children, disclosing gifts and clearly state they are advertising.

I do find it a tad ironic people on MN are replying to this thread saying why do people on tattle care and there's more important things when you take a quick look at their MN posts and they're also posting about unimportant trivial stuff here that the same could be said for

Also the "they spend all day on tattle" eh like me most people read there when they have a few minutes spare. I wonder if some here are influencers trying to make up a troll.dungon narrative?

Some people watch reality TV, some people watch soaps but watching these influencers tie themselves up in knots with dishonest behaviour is entertaining to me. Im not on the Mrs hinch thread Although was reading it with all the fanfare about the book.

I hate this "unfollow and ignore them" if there's wrong doing in the world it's not right to turn a blind eye. Influencers have next to no regulation and its seriously affecting the mental health of people. They're the first ones to say any negative comments affects their mental health but refuse to accept them showing off all day stuff they got for free or how much money they have affects other people.

I notice here someone is showing a few out of context screenshots to try and prove a point. But the rules there are pretty strict and it doesn't allow trolling or messages that go too far.

I used to post on mn but deleted my account as so often there was someone looking for help and people would rip them apart on their own threads. Tattle is far more supportive.

@Battlestaricedcoffee

I really don't think people should troll in this way people do commit suicide because of it. But come on. When she got into influencing this was already how it was. She can't say she didn't know what she was getting into and had made an awful lot of money from it. So really she could have chosen not to make herself a public figure. But she did know people are this vile. I would not choose to be famous of any kind for this reason. I think when people choose this path for themselves they need to not then complain about shit the knew would happen. It doesn't mean that stuff is ok but we need to be realistic in what actually happens.

I agree with this. It comes with the job I’m afraid.

You need to be a certain kind of person to deal with negative attention, but equally a certain type of person to sell yourself to social media.

‘Trolling’ in my view is attacking someone personally and directly- to their Twitter, insta whatever and that is not ok, obviously.
Tattle is a website the influencer would have to choose to look at themselves.
You never see any ‘hate’ or criticism on their insta comments because it’s deleted- either certain words trigger the comment to not be posted or I assume their management delete them.

A lot of the posters I see on tattle are people who once genuinely enjoyed watching the influencer but now want to discuss the things they don’t agree with that can’t be discussed anywhere else.
Don’t see a problem. (Mind you the Hinch threads are particularly fast and kinda nasty- I know it’s not quite as easy as saying ‘don’t look at it then’, but also, don’t look at it if you find it offensive?)

Oh come on, let's face it. Influencing is high level manipulation and exploitation of mainly vulnerable women. It's exploitation of children with a complete disregard for the law. They all have to sell their kids and dogs because they bring in the likes and advertisers, it's a a race to the bottom. The reason they all hate criticism is that it threatens the bizarre status quo they've created, the fake narratives, the falsehood, the fake lifestyles, the fake daily traumas (such as trolling, anxiety, overwhelmed with kids etc). I used to follow Candice brathwaite then found out she used to be a pimp and her back story has been confirmed as fake by her family. I also used to follow mental health guru Anna mathur then realised that she was preying on vulnerable new mums by selling course after course and raking in money via ads, whilst sat at home with a nanny, a cleaner and a gardener. She pretended she was overwhelmed with life and coping with kids on her own. I don't use Instagram anymore, it's a huge manipulation tool and it's main victims are women.

Influencers should be questioned more and called to account. They know exactly what they are doing and I'm here for the criticism and calls for accountability. This is one house of cards that needs to collapse asap. The thing is many of them love the trolling, they are obsessed with threads about themselves. They get so much new content from so called trolls.

While I agree that some of the things you describe are incredibly cruel, gossip and bitching aren’t the same as hate speech.

I’m not on Instagram, so not totally clued up on the ‘influencer’ world (although it’s a bit of a cringey word, isn’t it?). I’ve also never heard of Tattle besides on mumsnet, but from what I understand it’s completely separate to instagram, and so Mrs Hinch (or anyone else) only sees what’s written if they actively seek it out?

Harassment, bullying and abuse are absolutely wrong, and sending a person any kind of abuse isn’t ok. But I’m not sure that actively searching out bad things people have said about you counts.

For example if my neighbour calls me names, criticises my appearance etc, over the garden fence every time I go outside, that’s absolutely harassment. If she shares those views with her husband, in their own living room and i press a glass to the wall to listen, my feelings being hurt is really my responsibility.

I wonder where you would draw the line at what is legal? Public forums would be illegal, but what about face to face gossip? If those who’d shared their thoughts on tattle had been sitting round a table in a coffee shop, would that be ok? And is it only famous people, or would it extend to joe public too? Two of my colleagues yesterday were criticising the parenting methods of a mutual acquaintance of theirs. Some of what they said was very uncomplimentary, would I have been able to report them?

You’re asking to legislate people’s right to have an opinion, and that’s just not possible.

Influencing could go. It’d be better for everyone.

vkocy

If you really want this as a law, do you also want a law passed that influencers must be completely transparent about
who they are
what they do
who their sponsors are
how much they are actually getting paid etc?

I know that there are laws that do this already but the information is not laid out or that transparent.

Trying to put myself in an influencer position, I can see that it would be very easy to become obsessed with what others think of you because that’s your whole currency. If you slip up, and show a part of yourself that isn’t pleasant or get caught out lying your whole ‘insta’ life could be over (I’m thinking mod/fod here, I believe they’ve had to skulk away from Instagram, though I’m sure they’ll be back). Unlike an actor or singer, who has another string to their bow. There are pretty shitty people who we will still happily watch in films or listen to their music. It matters less. Influencers are unique in that their whole job is being popular online. It’s so extremely unhealthy and I wouldn’t be surprised if lots of them have mental breakdowns.

So you want to bully her into hiding?

Yes, that’s exactly what I meant... 🙄

I don’t “want to bully” anybody... I don’t even follow her. Or any influencers.

@vkocy

Mrs Hinch is the number one best selling book on Amazon, who sell most of the books in the country! It's a fact she's number 1 so if people can't even get that I don't think we can have a conversation

I suggest anyone reading and things these gossip sites are fine they need their head looked at, Mrs Hinch shortly after giving birth they were commenting on her weight while wrapping Christmas presents. The chapter on trolling is heartbreaking 😔

Wasn't Fifty Shades of Grey a popular book? Doesn't make it a good book

@vkocy
Unless she's on tattle, which she hasn't been since 2019, it isn't even trolling, does that make sense?

When your whole career, income and life are based around social media and your image, how can you be so upset when the public have a negative opinion of you? In my opinion it goes with the territory. If you put yourself out there to that extent there’s bound to be backlash, the same with any other celebrity. Any one else would just remove themselves from those platforms but these people can’t because their whole livelihood is tied up there. That’s the reality of being an ‘influencer’. Surely they’ve worked out there has to be a downside to the positives - free products, book deals, money.

What on earth has happened to literature, that the number one book is a text about someone who is famous for her enthusiastic use of Zoflora.

Mistystar99
They totally do more harm than good. They make a living by their online presence. For every fawning sycophant, you have to expect someone who doesn’t like what you do. If you can’t live with that, find another job.

I don’t know who she is so I found her Instagram feed. I’m not sure why anyone would want to waste their time like that.

Number 1 best selling book.

Fucks' sake. Proof if anyone needed it how the country has totally gone down the toilet.

I've looked on four lists now and it's not the best selling book on any non-fiction chart, including Amazon which the OP says it is.

Mrs Hinch whoever she is needs to develop a thicker skin.

It's naive in the extreme to inhabit social media platforms and expect everyone to love you unconditionally. It's the price you have to pay if you want to make a living on open public Internet forums that allow opinions and free speech.

And I think it has been adequately proven that the #bekind was a load of bollox judging by the fact it evaporated within moments of being a thing on SM. People's opinions and behaviours aren't always kind.

She is the number one book on Amazon and has been for the last two days.

She's not number one on last week's charts because it only came out yesterday. It's really not difficult

Mrs Hinch
This Is Me
3.4 out of 5 stars (29)Reviews
#1 Best Seller in Books

@SavoyCabbage

I've looked on four lists now and it's not the best selling book on any non-fiction chart, including Amazon which the OP says it is.

See above.

Ah I've just remembered who she is - she has her name on those books with puke-coloured covers. They always half-price in Tesco the minute they're released

I know how to clean my kitchen and toilet with Zoflora , I don't need a book to tell me how.