Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think new laws are needed ASAP to protect Mrs Hinch and other influencers

479 replies

vkocy · 01/10/2020 20:40

Mrs Hinch has the number 1 best selling book at the moment where she goes into the heartbreaking trolling she received on tattle. They've been critical at everything from her weight, to her parenting and how her husband looks. It's virtually broken her at times and she felt like quiting the internet all together.

Why isn't this illegal today? Why do people think it's acceptable to give harrasment and hate speech because someone makes their money on social media. In no other workplace would this be accepted. Have people forgotten that Caroline Flack took her own life and nothing has changed :(

OP posts:
Thread gallery
18
ChardonnaysPetDragon · 02/10/2020 22:52

Memwah is my new favourite word.

Ihatefish · 02/10/2020 22:55

@SchrodingersImmigrant everyone knows all the real beautiful people (Ie influencers) are on heartotellyoubearsshitintgewoods.net. If you head over there you can find top tips like how to get the influencer lip look the mumsnet way. Take your national trust card go to your nearest nation trust property with a cafe, smear jam round your mouth and stand near a bin. It will take approx 2 seconds for 2000 Very aggressive wasps to appear and do their work. All natural lip filler (we direct net mums users to Drayton manor but with the same effect). You don’t get advice like that in style and beauty hun. Can’t believe you said I’m unkind when all I tried to do was help -I’m off to cry on my 85 year old 1960s pop stars shoulder now😹

WawLaDot · 02/10/2020 23:00

Oh FGS I'm beginning to think the Internet is not the place for you, @vkocy

SchrodingersImmigrant · 02/10/2020 23:14

As u can c @Ihatefish I am alrdy 5 steps ah head. Gawjus lips, don't u think

#lifehack #ineedtospotthisicanfeelmybraincellsdying
😂

To think new laws are needed ASAP to protect Mrs Hinch and other influencers
Gothicashoker · 02/10/2020 23:39

Considering the 'trolling' was not actually done to get but was spoken about in a private group hoch she should have never seen. The way she reacted was way worse, she sent her hinch army after one poor lass. This poor young girl received thousands of death threats against her and her children! No I do not believe we should give laws, comes with wanting to be famous I'm afraid!!

lilolemoi · 03/10/2020 06:37

QUOTE: I agree about the sanctimony on Tattle. Before her son was weaned people slagged her off because they expected her to feed him on jars even though she has all the time in the world to cook from scratch. So she cooks him a home made healthy meal every day and they say “why can’t she just give him chicken dippers like the rest of us instead of faffing with disgusting sweet potatoes”

What healthy meal??

WhereIsTheSaladDoris · 03/10/2020 07:18

Influencers (aka advertisers) fascinate me, mainly because they have likely stumbled into their “job” and ”fame” with a steady increase in followers or some reality tv type fame, but with no clue what to do next.

Either, a management company comes along and takes over; setting up deals, brand partnering and helping with content etc. If they’re really successful, they’ll throw out a book, branded products or something similar.

Or, they try to manage it themselves. They might hire a virtual PA or rope in friends and family to help ‘manage’ the account.

Either way, in the background, the influencer is still thinking they’re the same person pre-influencer success. They know they need to relate to their followers (aka demographic audience) and they need to transition their successful brand partnering / ads / gifted items in an authentic way.

And that is where the problem is.

From the point it moves from - “I’m an instagrammer, just like you babe” to a managed business and job.

The other interesting aspect is that advertising for years and years has been heavily controlled and regulated. Social media advertising is the same and more controlled in the last couple of years following a couple of court cases (think Made in Chelsea type people being fined by ASA).

Yet these influencers will argue to the hilt that they’re normal - they lead a normal life like the average jane doe and this life hasn’t changed them. They are one of the same. They’re not

The only reason they are advertising is to make money. This is their job.

For the cheap seats at the back, I repeat: their ‘job’ is to make money

Some might use their influencer status for good causes, but that as we know, will have a benefit back to them ( good PR)

They don’t have another job. They don’t go out to a PAYE job, their job will be to make X Income per month to cover their Y expenses which are subsequently declared on their self employed, self assessment tax form.

What baffles me further is the lack of knowledge (mainly of the younger generation, but generally people across all generations) is that they don’t see this transition. From relatable instagramma to fully fledged paid influencer job.

Take a look at Companies House and search your favourite Instagrammers for their Limited Company status. If they’ve set up a Ltd company it’ll be because their earnings are best placed through a company than through a self assessed tax form (eg for tax reasons, they’ll earn more, and this is in excess of 6 figures)

Don’t be fooled, is my message. I knock no one for earning a living but influencers are being disingenuous about how they’re earning a living. Mrs Hinch knows exactly what she’s doing and actually, she could do it better if she stopped getting emotional about the criticisms and actually took each one in turn and set a plan to turn it around. It would likely earn her more followers (and money) but instead she’s decided to cry troll to see if that strategy will work.

DISCLAIMER: I don’t follow Mrs Hinch, nor am I active on Tattle. But it is because of Tattle that I did my own ‘research’ into several people I followed, not realising the depth of this area of deceit.

pollypork · 03/10/2020 09:21

I think the reason why some "fans" defend influencers so fervently is because they hope one day they will be in the same position.

JMG1234 · 03/10/2020 10:33

Completely agree with the post on the business of influencing. Genuinely I don't have a problem with influencers using social media as a platform to sell things. It's their livelihood.

I do have an issue with people thinking they're best friends with influencers and giving them saint-like status where no criticism or negative opinion is allowed. They're sales people, which doesn't make them nasty or unpleasant in any way, but people should bear in mind that a lot of Mrs Hinch's posts, for example, encourage you to buy the products she's paid to advertise or has been gifted.

terrywynne · 03/10/2020 10:38

@WhereIsTheSaladDoris interesting analysis!

What I find odd is that Influencers are no longer a new phenomenon. The transition to business is now well known about and yet they and their management still act like it isn't (and like Influencing isn't now a business sector) and that therefore Influencers should be exempt from any criticism. I suppose they have to do this because as you say their business is based on relatability but it seems so obviously fake these days. And because it is based on relatability, they have blurred business and personal to such an extent that they see everything as a personal attack when a lot of comments about ads, regulation etc are business criticism.

I follow eSports where the fan scene can be absolutely vile and players get death threats for losing games (I expect this also happens to footballers). These are people with a public brand who engage closely with fans via social media and streaming but you don't get them encouraging retaliatory attacks by their fans. There might occasionally be a general comment about how bad the comments are and how it makes them feel. But for the most part they will say that they ignore the haters, they don't care about negative comments, they concentrate on the positive supports, and if it gets really bad they just stop using social media for a while and spend time with friends and family. Influencers probably feel they cant take that last step because they would lose money but they could do the ignoring haters, that they don't frankly seems a difference in management guidance and professional expectations of a business sector.

The fact that 17 year olds have to be inured to people sending them death threats when they have a bad day is a sad indictment of our society, and no one should have to routinely face that, but there are many industries - several listed by pp - that get regular criticism through to harassment, and the OPs obsession with protecting Influencers from Mumsnet and Tattle isn't going to solve that.

linsey2581 · 03/10/2020 11:34

You do know that Mrs Hinchs cleaning hacks are not her ideas. They’re just rip offs of things that we’ve known for years.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 03/10/2020 11:49

@linsey2581

You do know that Mrs Hinchs cleaning hacks are not her ideas. They’re just rip offs of things that we’ve known for years.
Decades, even centuries.
Toffieefee · 03/10/2020 11:58

I don't like being unkind about people for the wrong reasons. But Mrs hinch is a perfect example of why people with no real talents should get famous. No offence to her fans. But she bought a modern built home. She's painted all the walls white. She's got all her decor on grey. She enjoys cleaning. So she basically uses things like

Nope
Buckets
Flash
Bleach
Zoflora

She organises her cupboards. But who really cares? It isn't talented. It's easy to do in a new build. She can have the latest stuff. But if you live in a 1950s house like I do it's not as simple unless you are rich. I also have children under 5. So to be that obsessed with cleaning would mean if be not spending time doing what mattered. Also my children would be breathing in fumes that are really bad for them.

Some of the things she is encouraging others to try are dangerous. You don't need to zoflora your bed. You don't need to mix chemicals. You can be too clean. The damage she will be causing peoples lungs who are silly enough to copy her.

The amount of women who go to b&m now and buy far too much disinfectant and sponges just to be like her is ridiculous. We were already capable of cleaning houses before she came along.

It's the same with the Radford's. They are getting bigger and richer by the day. But they are putting their children's lives at risk for attention and materialistic reasons. It's great they have got tubs and all the holidays. But is their garden secure? How long until some weirdo is watching one of their teenage daughters or little kids? They are in way over their heads.

The worst thing that ever happened was random people getting insta famous.

No sympathy I'm afraid. She's nobody special at all. She has bitten off more than she can chew.

Toffieefee · 03/10/2020 11:59

So many types sorry

Nope-mop
Should-shouldnt
On-in

bemusedmoose · 03/10/2020 12:05

She has chosen to court social media which is well known, and has been since its advent, to be full of vile people. If she didn't like it she could leave any time she liked, just switch off and not go back on but she choose to continue. It's not like domestic violence where you are stuck with the person because they don't let you get away. I don't do social media for that very reason. Even when I rescued animals - i would get abuse from random people. So now I just stay away - too many people with nothing to do and a bitter tongue.

Abuse is illegal (although still not often prosecuted for) a difference of opinion isn't.

PurplePansy05 · 03/10/2020 12:07

Some comments online are unacceptable and they shouldn't be made, whether online or IRL.

But my view is that most influencers are either oversensitive and have low self esteem & therefore seek affirmation by selling their lives publicly. When they receive negative feedback, they can't take it. Others are self-absorbed twits who think they're above everyone else and therefore shall not be criticised. Neither should be in the marketing world as they're unsuitable. This is also why I don't fall into the trap of following them - I can think critically for myself.

There's a major difference between criticism and negative feedback and hate speech and trolling. The latter two are wrong. The first two are perfectly acceptable, but it's the unsuitable influencers that do not understand the difference between them and make up dramas, purely for more attention seeking "oh look at poor little me, I am abused here". Well, no, 9/10 they're not, but they can't deal with anyone who's not wrapped up in cotton wool with them.

Another point is, if you choose to be in the limelight and sell yourself like a product (which I don't support full stop), you expose yourself to the good and the bad and that's the inherent risk. Those that don't get it shouldn't be doing it.

Underadesk · 03/10/2020 12:37

Fucks sake..... she (and other influencers- whatever that job actually is) choose to put themselves out there. They have managers, people who pass them round to every brand going (even though to give up work to play on instagram all day, they probably have the money to buy things). They need to accept not everyone will like them. They should live in reality for a bit.

As for mrs H in particular, if she was bog standard Laura from Sunderland and didn’t have her lips, tits, teeth etc done, the shite cleaning tips she flogs (which are nothing extraordinary) would make her no money at all.....

Marisishidinginmyattic · 03/10/2020 12:56

As for mrs H in particular, if she was bog standard Laura from Sunderland and didn’t have her lips, tits, teeth etc done, the shite cleaning tips she flogs (which are nothing extraordinary) would make her no money at all.....

This with bells on. If she’d tried being “Mrs Hinch” before she lost all the weight and got the hair, the teeth and the lips, she’d still be unknown.

I suppose people buy into the fact that if they clean like her, they can be like her.

kozoey · 03/10/2020 13:13

Tattle is nothing like school ground bullying!

It's more like people in a private room talking about a celeb. If the celeb chooses to Eve's drop by putting a glass to the door to hear what people that don't trust them are saying then they only have themselves to blame.

Yes to the people that defend them do so because they want to be an influencer one day.

Everything is called trolling thesedays.

Toffieefee · 03/10/2020 13:32

Her life seems really dull though. She just cleans and tidys up. Anyone can be like her.

Marisishidinginmyattic · 03/10/2020 14:24

Anyone can be like her.

Everyone can clean and tidy all day. Not everyone can get money for whacking up videos and photos of them doing it. They all wish they could though and hope by emulating her and everything she does, they can get followers and money. There’s so many of them on Instagram now over sharing their lives desperately hoping they’ll be the next Mrs hinch. It’s sad.

Jumpingkangeroo · 03/10/2020 14:51

My (very poor) theory is that people who call other people trolls are usually involved in a bit of skulduggery themselves. I have not been wrong so far.

Toffieefee · 03/10/2020 14:53

@Marisishidinginmyattic

Thats a good point! I wasn't thinking like that. You are right.

AllAboardGiraffe · 03/10/2020 15:35

Someone in my family is a nanny for someone like this.

Half of what they do for work to earn money is setting up scenarios to leak to the press.

Woman liaises with a 'venue' like Starbucks or a gym or a clothes shop. She gets paid by the venue.

Then she contacts the 'paparazzi' and tells them when and where. They pay her.

Then she goes to the place and gets photographed.

The venue get publicity the 'celebrity' gets publicity and the photographer sells the photos.

It's an endless meaningless circle.

Toffieefee · 03/10/2020 18:03

Alot of them get into hot water now.

Mother of daughters and father of daughters. Again they are such show offs. It's a 100% fact they get a thrill out of showing off their purchases and fancy home. But they are just flipping parents like the rest of us. Making out they have discovered the hilarious issues around multi tasking parents. Like nobody else with kids has to deal with bedtimes, mess, rainy days, food, travel etc. It would be alot more pleasant if we had their bank account though.

Then Susie j verril got told off a few months back now. She's another over privileged spoilt women who has no idea what's it's like to manage money, yet people feed her ego by paying attention to her and telling her she's all sorts of wonderful. She's just bagged herself a sportsman and now she's living an easy life.

I could go on all day about it. But I think it's dying out slowly now thank goodness.

Swipe left for the next trending thread