To think new laws are needed ASAP to protect Mrs Hinch and other influencers

[vkocy]

Mrs Hinch has the number 1 best selling book at the moment where she goes into the heartbreaking trolling she received on tattle. They've been critical at everything from her weight, to her parenting and how her husband looks. It's virtually broken her at times and she felt like quiting the internet all together.

Why isn't this illegal today? Why do people think it's acceptable to give harrasment and hate speech because someone makes their money on social media. In no other workplace would this be accepted. Have people forgotten that Caroline Flack took her own life and nothing has changed :(

Yes they are meant to pay tax. But it is so easy to manipulate the system and not declare discounts/gifts, especially when you didn’t get paid to receive the gift or show it but you received a ton of free things anyway

You take the good and bad with every job you do. Police accept that they put their lives at risk on a daily basis, the fire brigade accept running into burning buildings, construction workers accept the risk of injury and working outside in the cold - influencers like her who choose to put their whole lives on Instagram have to accept that not every comment online will be positive! If she doesn’t like it she can change her job!

That’s not to say that some of the things said online (particularly about her child) aren’t despicable, but generally speaking, most of what she complains about isn’t actually trolling IMO.

If you do get this new law, please tell Mrs Hinch’s followers who will relentlessly troll people who make negative comments on her account. And if you could throw in a law about protecting children from being used as sales tools by their parents, that would be great too.

@standupsitdownturnaround

No I didn't say anything negative about Tattle in general just the specific post I was talking about.

I'm no particular fan of any influencers to be honest, but I think there's a lot of sanctimony on Tattle - the feigned concern about children's safety and undisclosed ads is more often than not a ploy to justify slagging off their houses, their hair, their clothes etc etc.

I agree about the sanctimony on Tattle. Before her son was weaned people slagged her off because they expected her to feed him on jars even though she has all the time in the world to cook from scratch. So she cooks him a home made healthy meal every day and they say “why can’t she just give him chicken dippers like the rest of us instead of faffing with disgusting sweet potatoes”

The ones I dislike the most are the “I work 1000 hour weeks as an NHS nurse so fuck Hinch she doesn’t know paaaiiin” and I just think great for you but that’s not relevant to Sophie at all. Or “my husband risks his life daily working in the post office so she can order her eBay shite”. Blaming completely irrelevant hardships on her.

I mean these things aren’t a crime but it is stupid.

Again I never read an guy thing on Tattoe as nasty as some comments by Hinch followers in response to criticism. I don't follow Hinch at all and nor do I follow the Tattle thread but I've seen some real nasty stuff said to people who have made a negative comment.
Of note is that Sophie does nothing to address a chance behaviour but soon shouts "troll" if anyone dares criticise her.

Criticism isn't trolling as much as Hinch and other influencers might think it is,

Long live Tattle where people can make the criticism and the influencer in question cannot block them or control the narrative.

Personally the only law I'd like to see is a ban on these idiots using their children and monetising them.

@Redolent

Your quote

"My brain imploded about halfway through reading this post. What a load of small-minded and obsessive drivel. How boring. Who seriously gives a fuck about someone else’s ballet lessons as a child? Or if their ‘poverty’ only lasted a few months instead of years?

That’s my problem with these tunes. The cataloguing, tracking and gleeful exposure of someone’s everyday actions is seriously disturbing. But no, I don’t think it should be illegal. The influencers may be twisted and ethically dubious, but so are these bitchy cliques on Tattle etc."

I care when people who can ill afford it are giving these idiots money because they are being manipulated into thinking people like Jack are still poor. Manipulated BY Jack as it happens....she's still pushing the narrative that she is poor when she has far more than many. It's poverty cosplay at it's worst and all wrapped up on a neat grammar school vocalbulary born from a privileged upbringing.

if you are okay with that then fine...I am not.

And like I said...I've seen nastier comments here on MN than I ever see on Tattle.

People in the public eye make a habit of not googling for comments, threads and gossip articles about themselves.

If she doesn't like what people write on Tattle, maybe the idea is that she stop going on Tattle.

People are allowed to say "I don't like Mrs Hinch", and they're even allowed to say "I really don't like Mrs Hinch."

If they stick dog poo through her letterbox then fine, harassment, but right now the laws are sufficient. She's not being harassed if people are discussing a public figure in an entirely different arena to her.

I think that if people want to donate to her regardless of backstory then that's up to them but real life has taught me that there are people who can not believe that someone would scam people like this and would donate their last fiver. I realise that a deprived backstory makes good business sense but I feel bad for the people who wouldn't even view that as shady since it's just a fiver.

I think you need to literally take everything you ever see online with a pinch of salt. And also put things into perspective

Whether it’s a nurse who says she worked 100 hours who may or may not have, or a rich influencer crying on camera about trolls who really knows what happens? How can you know that person is nice? That they are truthful? Honest? Only one of those people is asking you for money though. The 100 hours a week nurse isn’t asking you to buy her things or follow her morning poo routine.

What has happened though is that millions of people have become incredibly disaffected, angry, scared and resentful about their positions in life - whether it’s caring for people dying, being laid off from jobs, not having any money for school uniform, being separated from loved ones. Is it really shocking that they don’t have much sympathy for a rich influencer sitting on her luxurious #gifted crushed velvet sofa surrounded by copies of her no 1 best selling book?

The argument ‘they are human too’ still stands, don’t send any dog shit parcels, stalk them online or threaten them. It’s ok not to like people though and feel angry towards them if you think they are greedy, a twat, self obsessed, a liar, a con artist or just intensely irritating.

I think that if people want to donate to her regardless of backstory then that's up to them

The point people are making is that the backstory is hidden as much as possible. So people donate based on her lies and PR’d image not realising she’s playing dress up and has never experienced poverty given that she had multiple safety nets for even the brief time that she received benefits. She has still carried on the narrative of struggling single mum even while she was engaged to and living someone high up at channel 4 living in an expensive house with a good income of her own.

There was an wellness influencer who pretended she had cancer & had cured it through her diet. I remember reading an article that stated one thing that very much contributed to the lie & growth of it was social media.

How can you genuinely be this invested in the life of a woman who spends all day cleaning unless you’re her, or someone vey close to her

OP, I work with the general public. I have been called a cunt. Had people tell me they wished I was dead and that they would find my kids and kill them. I've had men phone up and ask what underwear I'm wearing. One of my colleagues was blamed for a terrorist attack.

Some people are just vile.

You do know number 1 just means lots of people have bought it? Not that people don’t think it’s shite? The reviews aren’t exactly great...

@Hadjab

How can you genuinely be this invested in the life of a woman who spends all day cleaning unless you’re her, or someone vey close to her

This. I actually think she needs more protection from the people that follow her and obsess over her and her families lives and feel they are her friends, it is beyond weird. She exposes her poor child online daily to millions, members of the “Hinch army” repost his picture claiming to be his aunties and uncles and saying how much they love him. It’s lunacy.

[quote Whiskyinajar]@Redolent

Your quote

"My brain imploded about halfway through reading this post. What a load of small-minded and obsessive drivel. How boring. Who seriously gives a fuck about someone else’s ballet lessons as a child? Or if their ‘poverty’ only lasted a few months instead of years?

That’s my problem with these tunes. The cataloguing, tracking and gleeful exposure of someone’s everyday actions is seriously disturbing. But no, I don’t think it should be illegal. The influencers may be twisted and ethically dubious, but so are these bitchy cliques on Tattle etc."

I care when people who can ill afford it are giving these idiots money because they are being manipulated into thinking people like Jack are still poor. Manipulated BY Jack as it happens....she's still pushing the narrative that she is poor when she has far more than many. It's poverty cosplay at it's worst and all wrapped up on a neat grammar school vocalbulary born from a privileged upbringing.

if you are okay with that then fine...I am not.

And like I said...I've seen nastier comments here on MN than I ever see on Tattle.[/quote]
Tattle is so unlike MumsNet the comparison isn’t worth making. It’s not about evaluating one-off comments - it’s the posting culture and style as a whole.

An assortment of things I’ve seen before about other social media personalities, who are NOT lying about themselves for money:

“Disgusting...look at how she eats / what she’s wearing / always talking about her bf who’s a nasty cheat, probably because she’s insecure / she’s so sad and pathetic she has nothing better to do than to keep moving house / why do people listen to her, she clearly has nothing else to talk about“ and just ENDLESS bitching about the tiniest details of what people say and do. It’s seriously disturbed.

If you posted this stuff on MN the consensus would be ‘give your head a wobble’ (loathsome expression, but relevant here).

If someone is exploiting people for money; sure you can make the point, at length, done. What that has to do with taking them apart on every action, blow by blow daily updates, I have no idea.

I might be missing the point but.. Caroline Flack killed herself because she couldn't face the accurate criticism and legal implications of her own unpleasant and illegal behaviour.

I don't see how preventing negative opinion would help, if people do abhorrent things and choose to expose every aspect of their lives with the public... negative opinions will be generated.

The fact that she is selling her book with the tales of trolling says it all really. Influencers plonk themselves in the limelight to make bizarre amounts of money. They can’t then moan about comments which aren’t positive. Like others have said she’s a grown adult -she can switch off comments, turn off her phone!

@vkocy

Most of the time the Amazon number #1 bestseller tag is bullshit and based on performance in a tiny category. These days I tend to assume that anyone who uses the gold badge on their website/book cover has played they system.

I agree, but Mrs Hinch is #1 out of all books not some silly category. This is noteworthy so I'm not sure why people are trying to downplay her achievement

And how is this number 1? Only has 44 reviews

Weird frickin algorithm

As far as I'm aware you're talking of malicious communication regs. Has Mrs H complained about any individual or have you on her behalf? The issue in law is are these people deliberating attempting to cause her distress/harm or merely commenting (as requested by the platforms she uses) negatively to her content.

The internet isn't anyone's workplace, the room/office where she produces content is? Frankly that's a bit of a reach!

Have you ever looked on tattle?? What they say is not harassment or abuse. They just dislike her because she’s a liar. They shut down anything that says a bad thing about the baby or is aimed at her appearance. If you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

Cry me a river .

Have you seen what men post about women on 4chan ??? What's posted about celebs etc.

These "influencers" call anything other than bootlicking "bullying".

They expose so much info about themselves it's unrealistic that people won't "talk about them" .

Caroline flack didn't take her own life for this reason. She had a hissy fit, attacked her bf and was scared of the video being played out in court and to the public. She killed her career.
Every person who is famous puts up with what Mrs hunch does... And has done for years. Everyone has an opinion about everyone weather they voice or or not.

@MidnightCitrus I assume maybe like this

www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2016/02/behind-the-scam-what-does-it-takes-to-be-a-bestselling-author-3-and-5-minutes/amp/