To think new laws are needed ASAP to protect Mrs Hinch and other influencers

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Mrs Hinch has the number 1 best selling book at the moment where she goes into the heartbreaking trolling she received on tattle. They've been critical at everything from her weight, to her parenting and how her husband looks. It's virtually broken her at times and she felt like quiting the internet all together.

Why isn't this illegal today? Why do people think it's acceptable to give harrasment and hate speech because someone makes their money on social media. In no other workplace would this be accepted. Have people forgotten that Caroline Flack took her own life and nothing has changed :(

Not again 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Sandyfeet101 Tattle doesn't ban people when they are positive about an influencer? They do delete comments when new accounts come on and start berating the community though but I think that's fair enough.

There are loads of threads on there and they all have a different tone and community. There are rave threads as well for positive commentary.

Comments about natural appearance, for example, are shut down immediately on threads I've been on.

Style choices or cosmetic procedures are seen as fair game as usually the influencer is using themselves to sell that thing.

Trolling is nasty...Binch has plenty Ty of followers who will defend her to the hilt including telling people to kill themselves.

Tattle on the other hand is a forum where influencers are discussed...sometimes criticised. It's not trolling for people to say they don't agree with X, y or z.

In fact there's worse comments on MN than I have ever seen on Tattle,

I follow the PTWM thread....who scammed people into giving her money for helping people with DV. I think anyone familiar with her will know the money went straight into her bank account and she has a very nice life, cosmetic dentistry, the latest fashions etc and does numerous ads. The DV "Work" never happened and she now lives off the ad money,

People who ask her to give a breakdown of where the money went get a passive aggressive post back and a refund Of any donations they made.

That should be up for discussion without Rachaele calling it "trolling", it isn't trolling, it's called "bwing held to account".

Likewise Jwxk Monroe rattling her tip jar and moaning about her "shitty draughty bungalow". Said bungalow is in Thorpe Bsy somewhere, an area not known for its shabbiness. She's bringing in a minimum of £1000 a month from Patreon plus book royalties plus ads she has done.

Check out her Cotswold Company stuff....all shown in photos she has shared on social media...around £4k minimum worth in the shabby bungalow while she cosplay poverty. And she calls Tattle participants "trolls" for pointing out the discrepancies between her "poverty" and the reality that she has done rather well out of being a "poor person". In reality she is a middle class girl who had a lovely comfortable upbringing with ballet lessons (she has posted about this) and a five bed home with parents who were very comfortable financially.
She had at most a few months of poverty u til she finally confirmed to the father of her child she was pregnant and he stepped up and plays an active part in her childs life.
She is the acceptable face of poverty to the great and good because she is middle class with a good vocalbulary. In reality she has never been poor.

Whiskyinajar the stuff about JM was a real eyeopener for me. I had bought into the whole poverty spiel around the Bootstrap cookbook thinking this was someone who had lived hand to mouth for years, when in fact that couldn't be further from the truth. She is like many others an arch manipulator, who like Hinch cries troll to get her hysterical (and overinvolved) followers to attack and doxx anyone who disagrees with her.

Stop using people who killed themselves to push your opinions, OP...

Good point, very disingenuous.

@pollypork

Stop using people who killed themselves to push your opinions, OP...

Good point, very disingenuous.

At least she learned the name of this one, unlike with Nicole (Coco's law, OP's previous thread).

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I do not condone hate or trolling in any way shape or form. But these “influencers” need to clean their on doorstep before they start on others. Did Mrs Hinch think it was acceptable to beak lockdown rules and then cry when she got found out? So what everyone in the UK has to make sacrifices it she doesn’t because she’s a faux celeb. Did PTWM think it acceptable to start multiple Donation pages and then keep the money and spend it? As soon as people started asking to see a breakdown of where the “charitable” donations were going then all of a sudden those people become trolls. Tell you what maybe it’s the influencers that are corrupt and it’s the members of the public that are the ones that aren’t. I’m so fed up of the word troll being thrown about. It’s become such a meaningless word and it’s just a way of influencers saying don’t question me when there is no transparency or accountability. I know one thing is for sure if I acted like them in my profession I’d have lost my registration a long time ago.

It isn't restricted to social media stars. My DH is a local councillor and the online abuse he gets is unbelievable.

There is something about the remoteness of social media that makes some people think they can be abusive in a way they just wouldn't be in person.

The question should be where are the laws to protect the public from influencers?

Maybe they should be forced to declare gifts, ads and post any digital manipulation done to their images?

Children on SM should be banned or at least tax returns should be made on behalf of the children to prove that their share of the earnings are available once they are 18. The laws applicable to child actors and models should be enforced eg hours of working. It is despicable to use children to make yourself rich. Children can't consent to their image and videos being online and shouldn't have to take their parents to court and force them to take content down so future employers don't see these.

Maybe they should be forced to declare gifts, ads and post any digital manipulation done to their images?

The ads, the have to declare, I am not sure about gifts. But there is now very interesting discussion about declaring alterations to the pics, especially body.
I think they should.

[quote standupsitdownturnaround]@Sandyfeet101 Tattle doesn't ban people when they are positive about an influencer? They do delete comments when new accounts come on and start berating the community though but I think that's fair enough.

There are loads of threads on there and they all have a different tone and community. There are rave threads as well for positive commentary.

Comments about natural appearance, for example, are shut down immediately on threads I've been on.

Style choices or cosmetic procedures are seen as fair game as usually the influencer is using themselves to sell that thing. [/quote]
That has not been my experience at all regarding comments about appearance (primarily on the Mrs Meldrum threads).
There are constant insults about every aspect of her appearance that go unchallenged.

I pointed out a few comments that were hypocritical (nothing to do with criticising appearance) for which the poster said fair enough, you're right. I was then banned with no warning. Doesn't seem to me that Tattle are interested in healthy debate, just unmitigated trashing.

@jojobar

the stuff about JM was a real eyeopener for me. I had bought into the whole poverty spiel around the Bootstrap cookbook thinking this was someone who had lived hand to mouth for years, when in fact that couldn't be further from the truth

What was the truth about JM then?!

@earthyfire

Child actors need a licence to work and yet influencers are free to exploit their children by posting every aspect of their life online. Doesn't seem to right to me.

It's awful. I feel especially sorry for the kids. I was recently on an 'influencer' page and every post was a pic of their twins in a different 'gifted' #ad outfit. It's so desperate. The instagram mummies that do especially embarrassing things- think Knee Deep In Life-are making sure their kids are bullied aswell. Sad.

The licenses thing for children gets me. I used to work delivering sports training where younger children (under 16) would sometimes work as assistants for a couple of weeks in the summer. They had to be over 13, the hours they could work were restricted and they had to have licenses from the council (signed by parents and by school if I remember correctly).

Now they were doing actual work not just getting on with their lives and being filmed so not directly comparable but there was oversight of what they were up to (and the employing organisation had safeguarding policies, employee handbooks, were inspected by a governing body annually). Kids all over Instagram and YouTube are having their whole lives put out their for strangers to see and to make their parents money but it isn't seen as work because it doesn't fit historic definitions of work and performance. Legislation really needs to catch up with this industry and fast.

This is such a niche hobby horse.

Why is getting mumsnet to agree with you on this subject such a priority for you.

Having said that, I fucking love these threads.

@Sandyfeet101

Oh ok. I haven't seen the Mrs. Meldrum threads so I can't comment on those.

I look at the Sali Hughes, Caitlin Moran and India Knight ones, the books and the beauty topics. There are comments on those ones where posters call people out for being OTT or nasty.

In your post on there, did you express general dislike for the forum? I do think they are quite quick to zap people who come on and slate the other posters, particularly if they have just joined and the only contribution they've made is to express superiority over the other commenters.

My understanding is they look at a posters history before a ban and ascertain if they're contributing to the community or being a bit destructive.

@Whiskyinajar

Trolling is nasty...Binch has plenty Ty of followers who will defend her to the hilt including telling people to kill themselves.

Tattle on the other hand is a forum where influencers are discussed...sometimes criticised. It's not trolling for people to say they don't agree with X, y or z.

In fact there's worse comments on MN than I have ever seen on Tattle,

I follow the PTWM thread....who scammed people into giving her money for helping people with DV. I think anyone familiar with her will know the money went straight into her bank account and she has a very nice life, cosmetic dentistry, the latest fashions etc and does numerous ads. The DV "Work" never happened and she now lives off the ad money,

People who ask her to give a breakdown of where the money went get a passive aggressive post back and a refund Of any donations they made.

That should be up for discussion without Rachaele calling it "trolling", it isn't trolling, it's called "bwing held to account".

Likewise Jwxk Monroe rattling her tip jar and moaning about her "shitty draughty bungalow". Said bungalow is in Thorpe Bsy somewhere, an area not known for its shabbiness. She's bringing in a minimum of £1000 a month from Patreon plus book royalties plus ads she has done.

Check out her Cotswold Company stuff....all shown in photos she has shared on social media...around £4k minimum worth in the shabby bungalow while she cosplay poverty. And she calls Tattle participants "trolls" for pointing out the discrepancies between her "poverty" and the reality that she has done rather well out of being a "poor person". In reality she is a middle class girl who had a lovely comfortable upbringing with ballet lessons (she has posted about this) and a five bed home with parents who were very comfortable financially.
She had at most a few months of poverty u til she finally confirmed to the father of her child she was pregnant and he stepped up and plays an active part in her childs life.
She is the acceptable face of poverty to the great and good because she is middle class with a good vocalbulary. In reality she has never been poor.

My brain imploded about halfway through reading this post. What a load of small-minded and obsessive drivel. How boring. Who seriously gives a fuck about someone else’s ballet lessons as a child? Or if their ‘poverty’ only lasted a few months instead of years?

That’s my problem with these tunes. The cataloguing, tracking and gleeful exposure of someone’s everyday actions is seriously disturbing. But no, I don’t think it should be illegal. The influencers may be twisted and ethically dubious, but so are these bitchy cliques on Tattle etc.

@Mayorquimby2

This is such a niche hobby horse.

Why is getting mumsnet to agree with you on this subject such a priority for you.

Having said that, I fucking love these threads.

Me too - and good luck getting a law against ever saying anything to someone else they don't agree about. Hopefully I'll dead by the time that happens.

Namechecking Caroline Flack or anyone else as grounds for daft ideas is offensive to their memory IMHO.

How boring. Who seriously gives a fuck about someone else’s ballet lessons as a child? Or if their ‘poverty’ only lasted a few months instead of years?

tbf I probably would if I had donated money to a "cause". I canx a regular charity donation a few yrs ago when there was a scandal.

@standupsitdownturnaround

Criticism is a respected and accepted part of public life. TV, books, films, sport, politics, music, etc.

Particularly articulate and incisive people really excel at it and make it a career.

It's useful. It generates conversation, signposts quality and encourages high standards.

Tattle is fobbed off as nasty gossip by some people and their tone is invariably sanctimonious and they usually make sweeping generalisations about the obsessive nature, pathetic, etc.

That isn't the reality of it. Posters are far kinder to one another than on any other platform and most are hilarious.

If we can't take the piss out of people like influencers then we are missing out on some comedy gold.

Come on, we are talking about grown women taking multiple pictures and videos of themselves a day, including pretending to be asleep and crying!! As a career! That's fine but some people will find it very funny.

I don't really buy the jealousy thing. Women are often dismissed as 'just jealous' when they offer criticism. It's pathetic to think women are so one dimensional. I would not be an influencer for anything. I truly think they look ridiculous. To me it's the same as presenting on QVC.

The influencers obviously benefit from Tattle. It keeps them relevant and increases their clicks which = more income. I can understand why they would need to milk that. But I can't understand why the average person would be worried about it.

Influencers are adult Regina George from Mean Girls.

Totally agree with all of this

*The influencers obviously benefit from Tattle. It keeps them relevant and increases their clicks which = more income. I can understand why they would need to milk that. But I can't understand why the average person would be worried about it.

Influencers are adult Regina George from Mean Girls.*

So very true.
Some of them have such loyal fans that they would say this which baffles me more. I thought that boy band worship was bad enough.

She seems like a lovely down to earth woman so it’s a shame people are so vile to her.

Apologies if it has been covered earlier, but if influencers have a job ie influencing, do they pay tax? Like a real job?

Being called out for lies or held to account is often called trolling by the influencers. It isn't.