To think new laws are needed ASAP to protect Mrs Hinch and other influencers

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Mrs Hinch has the number 1 best selling book at the moment where she goes into the heartbreaking trolling she received on tattle. They've been critical at everything from her weight, to her parenting and how her husband looks. It's virtually broken her at times and she felt like quiting the internet all together.

Why isn't this illegal today? Why do people think it's acceptable to give harrasment and hate speech because someone makes their money on social media. In no other workplace would this be accepted. Have people forgotten that Caroline Flack took her own life and nothing has changed :(

@terrywynne completely agree.

Disagreeing with or criticizing someone particularly a business is now getting called trolling (incorrectly imo) which is just crazy! I saw a post on our local area page this week where someone was posting with an issue about a local business. It was worded politely, nothing inflammatory, the poster said they'd tried to raise with the business but been fobbed off for many months. And in response people jumped on him telling her to #bekind, how the business would have been struggling due to Covid, she needed not to criticize people because of how this would affect their mental health at a difficult time! Crazy.

And in response people jumped on him telling her to #bekind, how the business would have been struggling due to Covid, she needed not to criticize people because of how this would affect their mental health at a difficult time! Crazy.

I always wonder how those people would behave if they were the ones with the problem that they were trying to get resolved.... Would they #bekind then because businesses are struggling or would they be trying to get the service they have paid for (or whatever the issue is).

Whilst anything constituting bullying is not ok people having negative opinions about people in the public eye has always been a thing, from graffiti on Roman walls To poems, plays, pamphlets, debates, heckling, letters to magazines, articles in papers. I’m afraid if you’re in the public eye you’re going to get this, not ideal no, but better than limiting free speech. The trouble is everyone nowadays wants to be famous, quite often it’s empty fake revolving round wearing clothes someone has given you, posting near naked heavily airbrushes pictures on Instagram people are famous for being famous rather than having an actual talent, those who have actual talent are usually conspicuously absent from the usual heavy Instagram rotation. Empty fake is easy to attack, those who seek empty fame are usually the least resilient. In short, social media is a recipe for disaster. These people need to remember being on these platforms is their choice -if they can’t deal with the inevitable fallout, it’s probably not for them

Calling everyone a troll for having a different opinion is now becoming trolling. #be kind has become meaningless it just means shut up! How is it being kind to tell people not to speak or express thoughts? Then people wonder why there are forums created where they can speak freely 🙄

I don’t want to live in a world where no one can say anything when they disagree and if people had any sense they wouldn’t want to either.

The only time in my life I have said be kind is to my small children. Grown women do not need to be marching around on social media bossing everyone else around like small children policing everyone to #be kind

Fame, not fake -but probably works either way tbh

@SantaClaritaDiet

I have just been on tattle, calling someone I quote "That little cunt!! She's had that up her sleeve since day one* is not on, and should be banned. (it's not Mrs Hinch).

Will she be filmed through her French doors sat in her pergola because she doesn’t want a close up with not having snap chat filters to hide behind
(it's about Mrs Hinch) is just childish bitterness, unpleasant but not illegal.

I am sure you could find better examples but I can't be arsed to read full tattle threads. Some people are worst than Mntters.

You want to ban people calling other people c*nts?

Criticism is a respected and accepted part of public life. TV, books, films, sport, politics, music, etc.

Particularly articulate and incisive people really excel at it and make it a career.

It's useful. It generates conversation, signposts quality and encourages high standards.

Tattle is fobbed off as nasty gossip by some people and their tone is invariably sanctimonious and they usually make sweeping generalisations about the obsessive nature, pathetic, etc.

That isn't the reality of it. Posters are far kinder to one another than on any other platform and most are hilarious.

If we can't take the piss out of people like influencers then we are missing out on some comedy gold.

Come on, we are talking about grown women taking multiple pictures and videos of themselves a day, including pretending to be asleep and crying!! As a career! That's fine but some people will find it very funny.

I don't really buy the jealousy thing. Women are often dismissed as 'just jealous' when they offer criticism. It's pathetic to think women are so one dimensional. I would not be an influencer for anything. I truly think they look ridiculous. To me it's the same as presenting on QVC.

The influencers obviously benefit from Tattle. It keeps them relevant and increases their clicks which = more income. I can understand why they would need to milk that. But I can't understand why the average person would be worried about it.

Influencers are adult Regina George from Mean Girls.

A lot of wannabe influencers try to get famous and known through Tattle. They use it when they want to get something out of it - usually exposure

Are you a friend of hers, OP?

If you're not, I think you're overly invested.

The chapter on trolling is heartbreaking

Heartbreaking? Really? It broke your heart to read she was trolled?! Wow, your bar is low OP for what ranks as "heartbreaking"

It's what you leave yourself open to if you decide to use SM...

So it's OK to air your opinions but not for others to air their's?

So many tattle posters cross the line. Begging for her neighbours to “speak out”, and look in her garden. Walking past her house, or asking others to, to verify whether a particular car is there. Asking people who know her personally come to online and spill. Shitty businesses who send her a load of free crap then cry on tattle she didn’t catapult them into success with free promo. Her threads are about 50% bullshit full of people who blame Mrs Hinch for every problem in life and are obsessively determined to find fault in anything she does. The other half are people there for a laugh, or people who have legitimate concerns about her online behaviour.

But Mrs Hinch doesn’t care about that, she cares about people saying her fingers are pointy. I’m really baffled that she claims to “feel safe” in her home when there are vultures physically circling it, stalking her. It’s bizarre. Most of her content nowadays is videos of her baby and moaning about trolls. I think al her fans insisting everyone loves her son and want to see more of him are doing more harm than good, he needs privacy now. Tattle has a rule not to bring children into things but it’s not strictly enforced. She needs to take responsibility for herself and her child and only put things online she is happy for people to scrutinise, because as an influencer, that’s just the lay of the land.

It looks like from what I’ve seen of her book too she is just trying to long it out on Instagram until she can get her own product ranges off the ground. I don’t even think she is enjoying it anymore and has run out of content. I think she was very silly, got carried away and posted way too much about herself instead of what she started out to do with cleaning. The flip side is that she was carried along with trying to make the fans happy and sell more product, they also seem overly invested in her child and every move. I saw one comment where a fan wished her baby was as cute as Mrs Hinch’s. 😳

Really she needs to come off IG, move house and make a living another way.

The influencers who are signed with Gleam all seem to have books out at the moment, books with not many pages and written in a few weeks with the help of a ghost writer. Most of the time these books can only be purchased via Amazon and Gleam usually make sure only verified purchasers can write a review; therefore, the reviews are full of super fans writing reviews because they have been asked to give a 5* review during an insta story plea.

The chapter on trolling is heartbreaking

Ridiculous...you want heartbreaking, look at poor Nicholas and Lucy Lyndhurst who have just tragically lost their child. Or any indeed any bereaved parent.

I can think of numerous things more heartbreaking than a few unpleasant comments!

I don’t use tattle but I’ve seen people complain about it before and decided to take a look (not recently)

The first thread I opened was really eye opening, it was about a ‘mummy’ influencer who had made no effort to mystify her home address and it was concerning how easy it was to find from a quick google.

There’s also a lot of concern on the effects of children from these parents effectively using them for every ad- using your kids to make money.

I watched a video last night and a mum was showing her daughter eating and her daughter was talking about how she’d farted.
I just don’t think any of this is appropriate at all, I think it’s very important to speak about it.

I feel like these influencers are only irritated by all of this because it will, eventually ruin their income.
It’s always moaning about the trolls, never them being concerned by their own lack of safeguarding or the effect all of their ‘fame’ will have on their children.

I hope that it all gets stopped soon, ‘influencers’ should have to have some sort of licence to do this, with strict rules they have to follow to not put their children at risk.

I’m not jealous of any influencer,I’d rather sleep at night than worry that people will comment negatively and have to get up during the night to delete comments and block people.

Some of the stuff I’ve read about them is shocking and really makes you wonder why they’d put their family on display for any other reason than money.
Some show so much of their children/family that it’s easy to find them.
Another said someone posted they saw one of her children out and they were starstruck and wanted to speak to her.Jesus if a complete stranger was like that with my child I’d stop showing so much.

Others don’t declare ADs which is wrong and they should be held accountable for that,maybe 3 strikes you get deleted.

The begging ones are brazen,any recommendations for cot/pram/cake maker knowing they will get it free.

OP, your thread is REALLY not helping Mrs Hinch AT ALL.

That's the amusing thing of all, haters are what they are, but hysterical fans are worst and sometimes a lot more damaging.

@Heronwatcher

Think the government’s legislative timetable might be a bit busy what with coronavirus, brexit, enforcement proceedings being brought by the EU because of breaches of international law, imminent massive economic depression, rising levels of poverty, climate change and HS2 but by all means, do write to your MP- I am sure this will be prioritised.

Haven't read the full thread but this is a gem! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

A good idea would be if they were made to call themselves Advertisers rather than Influencers. Also the buying of followers should be banned completely.

Stop using people who killed themselves to push your opinions, OP...

I read Tattle. The majority of posts on the Mrs Hinch thread are light hearted and funny. Yes, she is called out on her inconsistencies at times, but you have to expect that if you're an influencer and perhaps bending the truth on occasion.

I also think those tattlers have a valid concern that she posts multiple photos and videos of her son every day to the general public which isn't necessarily the best idea to safeguard his privacy or protect him online.

In fairness, it also has a community element (as with Mumsnet). Within the Mrs Hinch thread, people have posted about all sorts of personal challenges and are shown a lot of kindness and support from other posters.

And yes, being critical and having an opinion isn't the same as trolling. If you put yourself out there as an Instagram influencer, not everyone will agree with your views.

@standupsitdownturnaround

Criticism is a respected and accepted part of public life. TV, books, films, sport, politics, music, etc.

Particularly articulate and incisive people really excel at it and make it a career.

It's useful. It generates conversation, signposts quality and encourages high standards.

Tattle is fobbed off as nasty gossip by some people and their tone is invariably sanctimonious and they usually make sweeping generalisations about the obsessive nature, pathetic, etc.

That isn't the reality of it. Posters are far kinder to one another than on any other platform and most are hilarious.

If we can't take the piss out of people like influencers then we are missing out on some comedy gold.

Come on, we are talking about grown women taking multiple pictures and videos of themselves a day, including pretending to be asleep and crying!! As a career! That's fine but some people will find it very funny.

I don't really buy the jealousy thing. Women are often dismissed as 'just jealous' when they offer criticism. It's pathetic to think women are so one dimensional. I would not be an influencer for anything. I truly think they look ridiculous. To me it's the same as presenting on QVC.

The influencers obviously benefit from Tattle. It keeps them relevant and increases their clicks which = more income. I can understand why they would need to milk that. But I can't understand why the average person would be worried about it.

Influencers are adult Regina George from Mean Girls.

But criticism is valued purely as a means to promote discussion by Tattle why do they immediately ban someone who says something like 'hmmm I think I draw the line at sending someone round to go through her bins..."

Don't read tattle then. Problem solved.

If its abuse coming directly to your page, block them.

If its just negative opinion being expressed on your page - consider not making a career out of publicising your life.

Child actors need a licence to work and yet influencers are free to exploit their children by posting every aspect of their life online. Doesn't seem to right to me.