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Women are very powerful beings

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Sarahpaula · 01/10/2020 02:48

Hi. I am really into spirituality, and I read a lot of spiritual books. Many of these books say the same thing.

That the general reason why men are so abusive to women in this generation, is because women are in fact far, far more powerful than men, and men are afraid of how powerful women are.

This is why men spend a lot of time trying to make women feel inferior, and to forget their own power.

Men have implemented many tricks to make women forget their power by

  1. Starting religions which told women that they were inferior,
  2. Making science very dominant and male energy-based, making women forget their important spiritual powers and powers of intuition
  3. By disrespecting childbirth.
  4. by shaming menstruation, telling women it is dirty, when actually menstruation is a very important spiritual, physical and mental time for women.
  5. By degrading women in porn
  6. By keeping women out of politics.
  7. by shaming women if they do not have children. So that most women still focus primarily on child rearing.

Men have done all these things to make women forget who you really are: you are incredibly powerful beings.

Remember how powerful you are as a woman, and all of those systems of abuse will begin to change.
When one woman remembers how powerful she is, it will help all women to be freer in the future.

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WellThisWentWell · 01/10/2020 10:25

Fjor, here you go:

The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. However, the study notes that, out of those 43.8%, only two thirds (67.4%) were female (as lesbian women tend to be in heterosexual relationships before they come out), which would narrow the actual statistic down to 29.6%. In contrast, 35% of heterosexual women and 61.1% of bisexual women reported physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners in the same study with 98.7% and 89.5% (respectively) of perpetrators being male.[22]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_same-sex_relationships

So yes, female on female violence does happen, and should be talk about.
As domestic/partnered violence in general should be.
But lesbian relationships are not the most violent ones.

corythatwas · 01/10/2020 10:25

Going off on a slight tangent, the idea that tears reveal weakness is a cultural construct. If you read ancient or medieval literature/history etc, you will find big burly warriors bursting into tears and nobody thinks it makes them less ready for the harsh reality of warlike masculinity.

The "boys don't cry" trope is very much a Victorian idea.

And I say that as someone who hasn't really cried in years.

Elsewyre · 01/10/2020 11:34

Everyone really overcomplicates this;

The bigger, stronger, more aggressive animal tends to dominate the smaller, weaker more passive animal.

And that's all we animals. Want the "power" of men? Go inject some testosterone have big muscles a beard and seemingly reduced emotional response. It will be amazing I'm sure Confused

hunneebunnee · 01/10/2020 14:38

I've never thought of menstruation as a spiritual thing. It's just biology. We are part of the animal kingdom.

https://www.period.media/factsfigures/animals-also-menstruate//_
"Dogs in heat, rutting stags and cats in season: animals make it very clear when they’re most fertilee_. Sometimes this involves a bit of blood. With humans it’s exactly the opposite.

All mammals have a menstrual cyclee_. But most of them have a covert menstruation. This means the endometrial lining is so thin; it gets completely absorbed by the body if the egg isn’t fertilised.

Humans, primates and some other mammals (bats, African elephant shrews and certain tree shrews) have such a thick endometrial lining that part of it is being shed through the vagina.._

The bloody discharge you see in female dogs, and sometimes also in cows and species of the horse family, has to do with the ovulation: blood vessels in the vagina wall burst because of the blood pressure. This bleeding is no menstruation. Besides, animals can be quite moody when they’re fertile. Just ask any horse owner with a mare in the stable."

hunneebunnee · 01/10/2020 14:42

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/09/margaret-thatcher-womenn_

Margaret Thatcher did nothing very much to help women in or out of politics.

hunneebunnee · 01/10/2020 14:44

by shaming women if they do not have children.

I've only ever felt judged by women for not having children. No man has ever asked me if I had them (outside of dating) and no man has ever encouraged me to have them.

hunneebunnee · 01/10/2020 14:50

I don't feel powerful particularly, though I'm coming into my own now I am getting older.

It was my mother who made my life difficult, it was women who bullied me out of two jobs, female friends who backstabbed me.

I am a human being with the faults, foibles, worries and hang-ups that are part of belonging to the human race. No different to the other women AND men in the world.

Suicides rates for men are higher than for women.

formerbabe · 01/10/2020 14:56

It was my mother who made my life difficult, it was women who bullied me out of two jobs, female friends who backstabbed me

Well on an individual level...but it's the equivalent of a white person saying that they experienced prejudice from a black person. Yes, that may be true but the patriarchy affects women as a whole just as systemic and institutionalised racism affects black people.

IcedPurple · 01/10/2020 15:03

That the general reason why men are so abusive to women in this generation, is because women are in fact far, far more powerful than men, and men are afraid of how powerful women are.

Not sure I'd use the word 'powerful' but it is a fact that biologically, men need women much more than women need men. If we had 1 women for every 10 men, the human race would be at risk of dying out. However, if we had 1 man per every 10 - or even per every 100 women (provided of course the man is young, virile and fit!) then the human race would survive quite nicely. And once a baby has been conceived, the male has no further role to play in biological terms.

Biologically speaking, most men are redundant. And yes, I do that at some level men know this and in many cases deeply resent women as a result.

Ihatefish · 01/10/2020 15:12

Really I think the reason you are being given a hard time is because there is a large cohort on mumsnet that appear to have greater knowledge about everything that has existed, or ever will exist than the greatest philosophers and scientists who have ever existed, such a waste as only a forum ever gets to hear the apparently Unquestioned truth., They act with absolute horror at the thought of something existing they would have to really think about. They tell everyone scientists like Newton, Curie and Jung Are the only ones who can provide truth (without any sniff at the irony).

Throughout history, truly spiritual movements have viewed men and women fairly equally (although sometimes with different roles). True spirituality links everyone through their shared energy and light.

Most organised religions especially established Christianity and Islam serve to divide rather than unite, they seek material gain they serve to defend the established power. It is desires of the flesh and lust for material gain which sees established religion which is a construct of man continuously Place women in lower status. In that way you are right.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 01/10/2020 15:15

by shaming women if they do not have children. So that most women still focus primarily on child rearing.

Well women really got caught up in this trick because no man ever told me my life was incomplete, or I don't know real love, or I am not filling up my life purpose by not having a child. The nasty came from women.

And yeah. Menstruation is so amazing that many of us take pills to get rid.

OfaFrenchmind2 · 01/10/2020 15:32

There is nothing powerful or mystical about periods. It's a bloody and shitty mess with pain on top. Just a biological event.

Your post reads exactly like the bullshit one of my acquaintance posts on Facebook regularly while being in a spiritual yoga cult and one of the many "girlfriends" of a guru that is being accused of sexual assault...

Gancanny · 01/10/2020 15:58

Not to mention, 40% of domestic abuse victims are men

According to ONS, in 75% of the domestic abuse-related crimes recorded by the police in the year ending March 2019, the victim was female.

In fact, this generation is the least abusive men have ever been to women

The number if people murdered in 2019 as a result of domestic violence was at its highest level in five years. Police have also reported an increase in domestic abuse calls since the start of lockdown. The majority of victims in these cases are female.

No one is saying that male victims are not important but whenever violence or abuse against women is discussed there is always someone who will chip in to remind us "but what about the men!". Yes, men can be victims of abuse too but the 'whataboutery' was unnecessary. The discussion in this instance was about female victims of domestic violence, we do not need to centre men in every discussion and should be able to discuss women without someone popping up to ask "what about men?".

ClementineWoolysocks · 01/10/2020 16:02

Ultimately it signals the death of a potential person, in the unfertilised egg, but the surge of hope with the next month, and the next potential life

Blech!

Pukkatea · 01/10/2020 16:18

Taking spirituality out of it, and talking biology. Women hold reproductive power by being the scarce resource - across nature, females tend to have the larger and more scarce gamete (the egg) and therefore men must compete for them in order to mate. Women do not have to compete for men because sperm or male gametes are not in short supply and men need no gestation period. Hence men grow large, colourful and violent to impress women and fight with each other for them, and in many cases to take the females by any means necessary. Put that in the context of our society, where our system allows certain men with more resources to attract the best females, and because we don't exclusively have one man to one woman lifetime pairings, some men lose out altogether. So what do they return to? Violence and force, and attempting to acquire resources through theft.

FuckinGoddess · 01/10/2020 20:34

True spirituality links everyone through their shared energy and light.

Uhh... wha’? 🤦🏼‍♀️ Energy? Light? Shared?

I’d be very concerned if I suddenly started emitting light.

lunalulu · 01/10/2020 23:10

@ClementineWoolysocks

Ultimately it signals the death of a potential person, in the unfertilised egg, but the surge of hope with the next month, and the next potential life

Blech!

What does 'blech' mean?

And what's wrong with what I said?

Pure science. An egg is matured and put in the Fallopian tubes/uterine cavity to await fertilisation to become a new foetal human being and ultimately a person. Menstruation is a sign this didn't happen.
It's also the start of a new month, new cycle, new egg, new chance.

That's just fact.

Sarahpaula · 02/10/2020 21:20

It is fine if you don't think there is anything spiritual about menstruation.

But we can't argue with history.

So we can say, it is an absolute fact that:

In many ancient societies, people viewed menstruation as an important and spiritual time. Women were greatly respected during this time, women were believed to have heightened intuition and knowledge.

That was back when women were more respected in societies.

Do we ever hear ANYTHiNG good about menstruation now? No, we either heat that it is a pain that must be suffered, or it is something to be ashamed of.

I understand if anyone on here doesn't think that menstruation is a spiritual time.
But we can all agree, that many societies in history viewed menstruation as a spiritual and important time. Those are facts. It is not me who came up with the idea

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Sarahpaula · 02/10/2020 21:28

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me by the way. Or agreeing with me.

It is interesting that people above have said that it is women who have asked them why are they not having children.

The last two people who asked me why am I not having children, were men.
One guy asked me how old I was , I said 36, he asked me did I have kids,I said no, and he said "why aren't you married with kids by now?".

Here was the last conversation:

Scenario: at a hiking group.
Man that I have just met said to me: "how old are you"
Me : 36
Him : 'Do you have any kids".
Me: "No and I don't want any".
Him, looking at me really shocked "why don't you want kids?'
Me: thinking , why should I even have to explain that.

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Sarahpaula · 02/10/2020 21:32

Oh I thought of another relevant point to add to this thread.

A male friend once said this to me,

"the reason that men spend a lot of time and energy keeping women down, is because men feel redundant - that they are not needed in the scheme of things. Men are jealous of women's power'.

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Bearnecessity · 02/10/2020 21:34

Women particularly in the workplace have been horrendous and vile towards me. My mother is an absolute goddess who I adore on every level, I have less than three female friends who I highly value. I think I would have similar things to say about the men in my life....women walk the line between life and death and have tremendous power ...I agree OP I am frequently sad about how women treat women...in its negative aspect that is not power it is abuse in its positive aspect it is tremendous sisterhood and friendship...

firstimemamma · 02/10/2020 21:38

'Men' eh? Talk about generalising! A load of rubbish, there are plenty of kind and caring men out there.

PlanDeRaccordement · 02/10/2020 21:41

@FjordFiestas

Yes, YABU. I read as far as "That the general reason why men are so abusive to women in this generation, is because women are in fact far, far more powerful than men, and men are afraid of how powerful women are". Men are not "so abusive to women in this generation". In fact, this generation is the least abusive men have ever been to women. Not to mention, 40% of domestic abuse victims are men (and they have far less support). Let's not even touch on the fact men are more likely to be murdered, mugged, assaulted and/or attacked than women. Part of promoting women's rights and seeking equality is acknowledging genuine truth, not just random drivel that you read once or made up. It's also about acknowledging the journey so far. Women today do not have it worse than women in previous generations and it's insulting to the women who fought for the freedoms women have today that you think you have it worse.
👏👏👏👏. Yes!
PlanDeRaccordement · 02/10/2020 21:45

In many ancient societies, people viewed menstruation as an important and spiritual time. Women were greatly respected during this time, women were believed to have heightened intuition and knowledge.

Which societies were these OP? Because I’ve studied Egyptian, Nubian, Hittites, Indus Valley, Ancient Chinese, Mycenaeans, Mitanni and none of these ancient Bronze Age civilisations had that belief.

klinghoffer · 02/10/2020 21:52

I agree with OP 😊

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