Page 8 | Not allowed to go home at the weekend, not allowed to mix with students outside your bubble, not allowed to have parties, maybe not allowed for Xmas?

chomalungma · 2020-09-25T07:10:57+00:00

I really feel sorry for students at Uni in Scotland. Those students who are feeling isolated. Those who just want some fun and to experience student life. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54285720]] And break these rules and you could lose your university place

Anon00 · 25/09/2020 12:41

@Votesforpedro

Is this not a good example of how to build up some resilience ? I can't help but feeling this is the generation who for the majority have never been told no or been up against any real hardships. On the whole students who move away for uni have been in a position of privilege so Im thinking that 2 weeks of self isolation and some limited contact home visits shouldn't be too much to ask of them.

SO easy to say when it’s not being asked of you / doesn’t affect you. None of this is normal. Imagine 8 months ago ever thinking that forced self isolation from the government was normal. Don’t start to convince yourself that this is normality or acceptable just to be able to have a cheap dig at young people. I moved into a flat with 6 strangers last week, was raped and have now been locked down unable to go home with no access to services or anyone I know for the forseeable future. The well-being of my generation is being sacrificed unjustifiably and you can’t convince me otherwise.

I’m not rich at all I’m here on a full bursary after working my arse off all my life to get straight A’s and now I’m being made to feel like a criminal for having ambition

Tomatoesneedtoripen · 25/09/2020 12:41

@tttigress

How can this be legal? This is discrimination.

An 18 year old hairstylist can go to the pub, but an 18 year old student cannot??

very good point. just shut the pubs, you know it makes sense.

SBTLove · 25/09/2020 12:42

@tttigress
Discrimination? there’s confirmed outbreak, it needs to be contained, what a daft comment.
I’m sure if there was an outbreak at a hairdressing college the same conditions would be required.
Poor wee students being ‘asked’ to stay out the pub for a weekend, hardly Guantanamo Bay ffs!

iseeu · 25/09/2020 12:45

I have been told by students that since March huge numbers of students have been having secret parties and raves and really going massively overboard with it, and yes of course other parts of society were affected. I am guessing that this is why universities are taking measures. This is not scapegoating, it is about measures being taken to mitigate a specific risk and unfortunately all students being affected because of the behaviour of some (well, behaviour of many, I am told, and anyone who has been to university is unlikely to be shocked by the possibility). It isn't going to be applying for the whole degree, one hopes.

PatriciaPerch · 25/09/2020 12:48

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Belladonna12 · 25/09/2020 12:49

You don't think thousands of young people travelling around the country to live in close quarters with complete strangers would lead to a spike in cases being recorded?

Whether it caused a spike in cases would have depended on how many cases there were in the country at the time which couldn't have been predicted several months ago . Regardless, while there have been some cases in some universities the situation is hardly unique to universities. Cases are going up everywhere and at least the students are a low risk population who will be mostly mixing amongst themselves, unlike schoolchildren and just about everybody else.

bigbluebus · 25/09/2020 12:53

I was chatting with a young person this morning whose GF has recently gone to Uni in a NW city which is already in local lockdown. He was telling stories of bars being rammed with no social distancing and parties of 40+ in small flats/houses. Whilst I don't agree with banning students from going to the pub (my DS is a student who went back to his Uni city last weekend and has been on 2 nights out at the last count) this seems to be a knee jerk reaction to a minority who can't/won't stick to the rules.

Votesforpedro · 25/09/2020 12:53

Many of the restrictions have affected me but I know that it was necessary for something more important, you know, a bigger cause. We are all having to make sacrifices and I agree there is nothing normal about any of this and nor should anything be normal in a pandemic. Pulling together and collectively following the rules even the frustrating ones that we don't agree with. Why should a students right to come home or party trump that of another human life ? Why should NHS staff be put at an increased risk of infection or a worker risk losing their job due to looking after a self isolating school aged child just because students and their parents thought the rules shouldn't apply to them

SBTLove · 25/09/2020 12:55

@bigbluebus
This is what will keep happening everyone will be under restrictions because some won’t adhere to guidelines, there’s no easy way to discern who can and cannot go out.
Maybe ppl need to speak up and tell family/friends they are being idiots and affecting everyone else with their selfish behaviour.

nearlyoldenough · 25/09/2020 12:59

@Belladonna12
Some unis, like my dds, you have to physically live there in order to finish the degree.
Dd can come home for two nights in the coming term, anymore and she would be in trouble . Of course you could just lie but she is in college accommodation and if there was a fire alarm or something you are easily caught out ( and she wouldn't anyway as rules are rules ).
She is going back for third year next week and I am already worried about Xmas . She is going back to a corridor bubble of ten, none of whom are her friends or doing her subject or even in the same year. She is going back with the mindset of doing the work and ticking the days off till the Xmas holidays so she can come home. I just dread her mental state if before then they announce she can't .
It's a sad state of affairs for all our uni students

SoloMummy · 25/09/2020 13:04

@TheMarzipanDildo

I’m not getting free tuition! (what with being English)

And now I’m not allowed to go to the pub. Or indeed a cafe.

But you opted to go, despite being in the middle of a pandemic and knowing that different rules may apply in a different country given they did since March. Yes its disappointing, but I cannot muster up sympathy for students who have opted to go anyway just because their social lives are impacted when we have had so many die worldwide.

randomsabreuse · 25/09/2020 13:05

Pubs/cafe ban is temporary while the current settling in spike gets under control. I'd say what is effectively a local lockdown for a limited period is proportionate given the level positive tests in Scotland at the moment - up to nearly 10%.

Hopefully by getting on top of things now, letting track and trace do their thing will allow more freedom to go to pubs/restaurants later in the term.

Browneyesbigbum · 25/09/2020 13:09

Since quite a lot of infections in Scotland link back to uni student's parties then it is their own fault. They appear unable to follow simple rules so infection rate rises around campus....too many large groups together so they need telling and stricter rules.
They have basically brought it on themselves so tough cookie that harder measures in university is required....

Belladonna12 · 25/09/2020 13:11

Why should NHS staff be put at an increased risk of infection or a worker risk losing their job due to looking after a self isolating school aged child just because students and their parents thought the rules shouldn't apply to them

NHS staff probably won't be at increased infection from students as they are unlikely to seek healthcare. Why would the student getting infected because a worker to lose their job because their schoolchild is self isolating. Students in universities aren't mixing with schoolchildren. There probably not mixing with anyone in the local community. I think students getting infected is the least of our worries at the moment.

Browneyesbigbum · 25/09/2020 13:11

@bigbluebus

I was chatting with a young person this morning whose GF has recently gone to Uni in a NW city which is already in local lockdown. He was telling stories of bars being rammed with no social distancing and parties of 40+ in small flats/houses. Whilst I don't agree with banning students from going to the pub (my DS is a student who went back to his Uni city last weekend and has been on 2 nights out at the last count) this seems to be a knee jerk reaction to a minority who can't/won't stick to the rules.

Exactly...bars rammed with uni students and mass get togethers is why these measures are necessary.

It's their own fault...

Belladonna12 · 25/09/2020 13:16

Some unis, like my dds, you have to physically live there in order to finish the degree.
Dd can come home for two nights in the coming term, anymore and she would be in trouble .

Really? Is this in Scotland? I have only ever worked in English universities and have certainly never heard of such a rule. Do you mean that all students live away from home?

Belladonna12 · 25/09/2020 13:20

@Anon00 I really hope that you are okay and are getting some support. I really think the situation in universities will be okay soon.

Belladonna12 · 25/09/2020 13:23

It's their own fault...

Just because some students have partied it doesn't mean that all students are at fault and that all students deserve what is happening to them. I'm sure you wouldn't think it's your fault if your neighbour got infected because they had been partying.

SBTLove · 25/09/2020 13:37

@Belladonna12
In shared accommodation they can’t say who has or hasn’t been in contact t with a positive case therefore they ALL are being asked to stay in for ONE weekend, anyone with any sense of decency can accept that for a few days. The wee souls will
survive.

BusyDreaming · 25/09/2020 13:49

Anon00 that’s horrendous.
Is there someone you can reach out to for support where you are?
Please, if you can, seek some help.
You shouldn’t be dealing with this on your own.

Perhaps even a different thread on MN where some wise and kind people would chat with you and offer you some support.
Thinking of you.

Bikingbear · 25/09/2020 13:54

Some unis, like my dds, you have to physically live there in order to finish the degree.
Dd can come home for two nights in the coming term, anymore and she would be in trouble . Of course you could just lie but she is in college accommodation and if there was a fire alarm or something you are easily caught out ( and she wouldn't anyway as rules are rules ).

I think either someone is winding you up or you have the wrong end of the stick.

Many Uni students will stay at home and commute to Uni daily. I don't know about other cities but a high proportion of students in both Glasgow and Edinburgh commute.

Surely where students sleep isn't the important bit it's what they learn while they are there and awake.

LBTM · 25/09/2020 14:24

I feel very sorry for students. They are being asked (and forced) to make huge sacrifices because of a disease that is unlikely to affect them much. Meanwhile you keep hearing 70 year-olds saying that they will go to the pub if they want to. Imagine the uproar if there was a law banning over 65s from the pub? Or seeing their families at Christmas? But those rules might be more effective at keeping our hospitals, doctors and nurses away from breaking point.

Belladonna12 · 25/09/2020 14:25

[quote SBTLove]@Belladonna12
In shared accommodation they can’t say who has or hasn’t been in contact t with a positive case therefore they ALL are being asked to stay in for ONE weekend, anyone with any sense of decency can accept that for a few days. The wee souls will
survive.[/quote]
That's hardly the only restriction. Regardless, my point was they are not all at fault so the comment that they only have themselves to blame is very unfair.

Belladonna12 · 25/09/2020 14:30

@LBTM

I feel very sorry for students. They are being asked (and forced) to make huge sacrifices because of a disease that is unlikely to affect them much. Meanwhile you keep hearing 70 year-olds saying that they will go to the pub if they want to. Imagine the uproar if there was a law banning over 65s from the pub? Or seeing their families at Christmas? But those rules might be more effective at keeping our hospitals, doctors and nurses away from breaking point.

What 70-year-olds do you "keep hearing" saying they will go to the pub they want to? Everyone I know of that age is staying well away from pubs. You only have to look at the statistics with regard to infections to see that most older people are being pretty careful.

nosswith · 25/09/2020 14:37

I feel sorry for those who have maintained social distancing, worn face coverings in shops and enclosed spaces, and who have limited socialising.

Those who have behaved as if Covid 19 did not exist I have no sympathy for.

I think all universities should have been online this term and recall applauding the university (was it in London) that decided this in June.