Not allowed to go home at the weekend, not allowed to mix with students outside your bubble, not allowed to have parties, maybe not allowed for Xmas?

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I really feel sorry for students at Uni in Scotland.

Those students who are feeling isolated. Those who just want some fun and to experience student life.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54285720

And break these rules and you could lose your university place

Typical that the first reply to this thread would be a dig about tuition fees, as though that is somehow relevant.

@Tomatoesneedtoripen

They are adults who made the choice, no one forced them

Based on many universities telling them that it would be save to attend, and accomodation being paid for in advance with landlord refusing to cancel.

And for many, what is the choice? Either go and take the risk, or stay at home with no job prospects? Not a great deal either way, is it?

@contrmary

They get free tuition though still don't they?

Everyone is suffering at the moment. Students have to face tough restrictions because out of all groups of people in society theirs is probably the most socially active, therefore the biggest potential spreader.

But surely if the virus is beginning to circulate again it should be the people who are at risk and vulnerable who should be facing restrictions to protect them. Why are we locking down one of the least vulnerable groups in society ???

@Anon00 there are people in that age group who are vulnerable. Some will know they are vulnerable, and others will get seriously ill then discover they have an underlying condition. Then there is long term Covid. No-one yet knows why some people get it. These groups of affected people don't necessarily overlap.

@Belladonna12

Universities actively encouraged students to attend in person knowing full well teaching would be online only, and now that's bitten them (and the government) on the arse, who is getting the blame.

Not true . Universities expected lectures to be online and face-to-face for a limited number of tutorials or labs for the first term and they made this quite clear.

Universities said they would follow a hybrid model and everyone would have their tutorials / seminars / labs in person with lectures remaining online. This isn’t what has happened. Everything is online, and not even live it’s all pre recorded

[quote RedRumTheHorse]@Anon00 there are people in that age group who are vulnerable. Some will know they are vulnerable, and others will get seriously ill then discover they have an underlying condition. Then there is long term Covid. No-one yet knows why some people get it. These groups of affected people don't necessarily overlap.[/quote]
You’re not seriously trying to say that young people are a high risk societal group are you ? Yes there’s a few exceptions but there comes a point we have to make individual risk assessments for ourselves. My point still stands - in general we are one of the lowest risk groups and are being locked down while every single high risk group isn’t. It is completely illogical and the fact that 1% of students MIGHT be at risk doesn’t make it make more sense

‘Desperately sad’ really? They are being asked to be responsible to stop the spread getting out of control! Better to stay in for the weekend than a full lockdown!
No wonder there’s so many useless adults when everything is about them and parents are sad they have to stay out the pub 🙄🙄

To further emphasise my point there has been more than 400 confirmed coronavirus cases of students in Scotland (probably a lot more now this was a few days ago) and you will not find ONE who has become seriously ill.

This is yet another nonsensical rule from Nicola Sturgeon- all designed to detract from the fact that despite her crowing over the summer about doing better than England, we still do not have an effective test and trace system.

I am all for taking sensible precautions for this virus, but effectively imprisoning 17 year olds in their rooms who have just moved to a new city knowing no-one and banning them from seeing their parents or going to the pub like everyone else is totally disproportionate.

@Anon00
They could spread it to someone who does become seriously ill!!

@Ecosse
For one weekend!!
Imprisoning? get a grip, they’ve been asked to be responsible.

Many - Abertay - for instance were telling students that they should expect face to face learning and so students should be in Dundee.

They said they could expect some face-to-face learning because universities were expecting to be able to do that within the guidelines. All universities clearly stated that a lot of the learning would be online.

@Anon00

To further emphasise my point there has been more than 400 confirmed coronavirus cases of students in Scotland (probably a lot more now this was a few days ago) and you will not find ONE who has become seriously ill.

But how many did those 400 infect and how many of the infections caused have become seriously ill. Students don't live in a vacuum - they'll be in contact with workers at Uni, in pubs, in shops, etc. If they go home, they'll be in contact with family & friends.

The student "lock down" is to keep the infections within the student community rather than the greater community.

Universities said they would follow a hybrid model and everyone would have their tutorials / seminars / labs in person with lectures remaining online.
This isn’t what has happened. Everything is online, and not even live it’s all pre recorded

Universities were expecting to follow a hybrid model and most universities are. If they are not in some cases that is because circumstances have changed and not because they were lying about following a hybrid model.

Almost all students are completely compliant with mask wearing, queuing, track and trace, social distancing in shops / public (I agree students are breaking social distancing with friends but if it’s all consenting low risk people I see now issue) We are NOT the group in society that has complained about these rules or refused to follow them. As a result, we are not spreading coronavirus to the general public in an great way. This is why the amount of infections has risen in students not adults / older people.

@Belladonna12

Many - Abertay - for instance were telling students that they should expect face to face learning and so students should be in Dundee.

They said they could expect some face-to-face learning because universities were expecting to be able to do that within the guidelines. All universities clearly stated that a lot of the learning would be online.

Yes, exactly, meaning students had to travel and now they are NOT getting that face to face learning. It should have all been entirely online because this situation was 100% predictable.

And this is why, unless policy and outlook is changed, this bullshit will never end.

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Yes they might pass it to someone else , though if someone is very vulnerable they would be taking more precautions than the average student. How long are we going to ask our young people to live like this in case they "may" pass it to someone else?

The current crop of students is not responsible for the criminal underfunding and decimation of the NHS. These measures are not to "save lives" - they're to try and mask the fact that the NHS has been so badly managed that it can't cope with people being ill.

@Anon00

Almost all students are completely compliant with mask wearing, queuing, track and trace, social distancing in shops / public (I agree students are breaking social distancing with friends but if it’s all consenting low risk people I see now issue) We are NOT the group in society that has complained about these rules or refused to follow them. As a result, we are not spreading coronavirus to the general public in an great way. This is why the amount of infections has risen in students not adults / older people.

I think it's a bit too soon to say that it won't spread to the general public although I hope you're right. I certainly think that schools are much more of a danger than universities and I am not sure why the media are concentrating so much on University student cases. I think there's the potential for herd immunity among students and as long as they don't go home and stay away from local communities it could work out okay.

Is this not a good example of how to build up some resilience ? I can't help but feeling this is the generation who for the majority have never been told no or been up against any real hardships. On the whole students who move away for uni have been in a position of privilege so Im thinking that 2 weeks of self isolation and some limited contact home visits shouldn't be too much to ask of them.

Yes, exactly, meaning students had to travel and now they are NOT getting that face to face learning. It should have all been entirely online because this situation was 100% predictable.

I disagree that it was entirely predictable and even if it was all learning couldn't be online. Some face-to-face learning is important in some courses, particularly science courses. Hopefully, the current situation will only be for the first term anyway.

How can this be legal? This is discrimination.

An 18 year old hairstylist can go to the pub, but an 18 year old student cannot??

@Belladonna12

Have to say I'm worried as she's going to feel trapped there. We're a seven hour drive away. If she really needs to come home for her mental health, I'm hoping she won't lose her place as she'll isolate in two rooms here and stay for the foreseeable.

She will be able to access all the teaching from home this term so won't lose her place if she continues to do the course.

Thanks. The problem is it's illegal for her to come home. If they're caught, they look their uni place.

@Votesforpedro

Is this not a good example of how to build up some resilience ? I can't help but feeling this is the generation who for the majority have never been told no or been up against any real hardships. On the whole students who move away for uni have been in a position of privilege so Im thinking that 2 weeks of self isolation and some limited contact home visits shouldn't be too much to ask of them.

Stop talking bullshit.

@Belladonna12

Yes, exactly, meaning students had to travel and now they are NOT getting that face to face learning. It should have all been entirely online because this situation was 100% predictable.

I disagree that it was entirely predictable and even if it was all learning couldn't be online. Some face-to-face learning is important in some courses, particularly science courses. Hopefully, the current situation will only be for the first term anyway.

You don't think thousands of young people travelling around the country to live in close quarters with complete strangers would lead to a spike in cases being recorded?

Really? Come on. Even if the vast, vast majority of students are responsible - and I believe they are - it only takes a few to not be and the thing starts spreading.

Yes, some courses do rely heavily on face-to-face interaction. Many don't, and yet the students are right there on campus listening to their english lectures in their crappy student halls rather than safely at home. I

Thanks. The problem is it's illegal for her to come home. If they're caught, they look their uni place.

Doesn't that just mean no home visits ?Surely, if she effectively decided to "move house" and live at home for a substantial period of time she will be allowed..