Aibu to think the new Sunak scheme is woeful

[Marg33t]

New scheme is going to make lots of people lose their homes and starve.

Employers to pay 1/3rd of wages is way too high. They will cut viable jobs that will bounce back otherwise.

I'm happy to pay my taxes for all that need it to continue to receive furlough as this scheme will keep people in poverty.

Aibu to think it's a mistep?

So it seems to have gone roughtly like this.

"Let us go back to work". "No, you'll kill people".
"Okay, help us financially then". "No, tough shit, you're clearly not viable, get a different job"
"There aren't any jobs, loads of people have just lost theirs". "Well go on UC".
"We can't afford to, it won't even cover our mortgage". "Tough shit, should have picked a different sector to build you career. Just starve or something".

@MarshaBradyo

Well let’s clarify who we mean

Live music
Theatre - is that operating anywhere?

You can still make music, so that’s not gone

You can't perform, only a small percentage make money from record sales.

Clearly people don't know much about the sector.

Not much call for string quartets at weddings right now, for example.

So this thread is not about arts but live music and theatre

Which are very expensive and out of the bounds for many. £50 for not particularly good seats in the West End.

@ChromaBook

Too many ppl think anything outside their field is beneath them, now is the time to look at other ways of earning.

It's not about her thinking other jobs are beneath her, it's about her literally not being given any interviews, for anything, because she doesn't have the right experience. How is that difficult to understand?

lots of jobs dont need experience and/or have training

Repeat I know about the arts yes I work in my part but I don’t do music. People lump all the arts together and say they are gone when I reckon they know very little about how varied the effect is.

@Devlesko

Re the arts, lots of artists could teach other adults 1 to 1 online

If it wasn't so depressing this would be funny.
Firstly, wtf wants to teach rather than do it themselves?
Secondly, Wtf is going to want to learn something that is obsolete.
How many courses do you see for Coopers?

@Devlesko to be fair, my sister in law who is a professional musician is giving online lessons to kids. Given that they are spending more time at home and have missed months of school, lots of parents are anxious and want to spend more on extra enrichment.

@Cadent

So this thread is not about arts but live music and theatre

Which are very expensive and out of the bounds for many. £50 for not particularly good seats in the West End.

So what? We are back to elitist argument? Football tickets cost more.

lots of jobs dont need experience and/or have training

But who do you think they will go to when competition is fierce? Are you really so naive to think that everyone in the arts who has been thrown to the wolves can just merrily walk into another job?

Which are very expensive and out of the bounds for many. £50 for not particularly good seats in the West End.

It's also a load of bollocks, there are hundreds of tiny, indepedent theatre companies struggling to survive where tickets don't cost even a fraction of that.

Why are the British so ignorant.

Bet a quarter is still live music hence why it is included in the list

Btw

"Let us go back to work". "No, you'll kill people".
"Okay, help us financially then". "No, tough shit, you're clearly not viable, get a different job"
"There aren't any jobs, loads of people have just lost theirs". "Well go on UC".
"We can't afford to, it won't even cover our mortgage". "Tough shit, should have picked a different sector to build you career. Just starve or something".

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

Live MUSIC: wigmore-hall.org.uk/live-streams
Live music online straight to your living room. It can be accessible to all and those who can, should and can donate. I would like to see theatres adapt and form small bubbles and perform and stream to the many. If people want to help the arts, they will stay home and watch and if they want to help restaurants, they will order takeaway. In fact, we should have a thread for all the wonderful cultural stuff that is now available to more people.

It's very easy to split hairs. In theory it is still possible for me to do my self employed job, subject to doing it in a Covid secure way. In reality it is not possible as there are no clients and probably won't be for some time.

I've applied for lots of jobs at all levels in many different industries. But I'm one of thousands applying for jobs at the moment.

Things just aren't as simple as some people like to think.

@PimlicoJo

I'm shocked by some of the ignorance and prejudice on this thread. I'm self employed in an industry, similar to the arts, which has been decimated. I thought I'd have work again next year but it's now looking unlikely. I've applied for loads of jobs but they're not easy to get. Life feels broken and I'm struggling financially and emotionally. The lack of empathy for people who simply cannot work in their profession at the moment is staggering.

I try to understand why people are not covered. I am SE and have got the SE grant and hopefully I gather from the lunchtime radio news that the scheme will continue. Do you not quality for the SE grant?

Theatres.
Gigs.
Festivals.
Confererences.
Exhibitions.
Weddings.
Holidays and travel.

The above sectors employ directly and indirectly creatives, technicians, project managers, support staff, accountants, hospitality and catering, logistics and freight, pilots, ground staff including shop workers in airports. Large events inject millions into local hotel, hospitality, taxi etc industries when they take place.
Seriously, I cannot overstate the economic contribution that these industries make, the amount of people they support, and the knock-on effect of them going under.

Below radar yes, I did qualify although I didn't get the full amount as I had a lower income in one of the qualifying years. I'm extremely grateful for the help, I wouldn't have made it this far without it.

As I see it it’s also a depressingly short-term strategy to deny the arts more support; surely arts/culture are some of the areas best placed to resist the even bigger and longer term coming threat of automation? But if they’re gone, or have dramatically shrunk post-Covid there won’t be the infrastructure there to help absorb those displaced from other industries when, in the not too distant future, the robots come for their jobs.

And it’s certainly not just live theatre/music that’s being hit. I know a lot of writers (mainly for children) and they’re really struggling too. Often their income comes mainly from school visits, festivals and other events rather than advances and royalties (which are generally tiny) and these simply aren’t happening right now. Plus publishers are being massively cautious anyway due to ongoing uncertainty. Lots of people falling through the gaps.

From the limited details on the BBC article, it looks good to me, and will fit with the needs of my employer and myself. I am on part-time furlough as there simply isn't enough work to fill my hours full time - under normal circumstances I work flat out c45 hours per week but these days I can just about manage 10-15 in the busiest of weeks. TBH I could get another job, I am highly skilled in an area where there aren't enough competent potential employees of my calibre, but I enjoy my current job and don't want to move, and my employer would find it virtually impossible to replace me if I moved on. I don't expect the taxpayer to keep subsidising me at the 80% rate for as long as it is going to take for things to recover (there isn't going to be much work for me to do until the situation is controlled enough for there to be no further need for any kind of social distancing) but without any support my employer will not be able to last until the tide of business comes back in, so I think this new scheme is a good compromise. My employer pays me in full for the work that I actually carry out, and the remaining difference between that money and the income I normally receive is burdened reasonably evenly between myself, my employer and the state. I feel that is fair enough.

I think YABU just because it's going to be at least 2 years realistically before there's enough people immunised / enough general immunity in the population before things return to any sort of normal. And there just isn't the money in the pot to support people being off work or working massively reduced hours for that length of time.

It's not 1/3rd. Employers will pay at least 55% and the government will only pay %22

because the company will pay for the time when people are working - the companies will only contribute 1/2 for the time they are not working along with the government to top up their wages. WTF would the government pay for people to work in companies that are making money from their employees!

I'm a sick to death of this BS. What is you want op? the current furlough scheme is unsustainable, do the government have to pay for everything, maybe send someone round to get you out of bed and dressed too. And by the government I of course mean taxpayers.

"my employer would find it virtually impossible to replace me if I moved on"

😂😂 no. They wouldn't

@PimlicoJo - that's good news. it worries to me to think there are people who've had nothing. The government representative on the JV lunchtime show said that the SE grant will continue - which I very much hope is true.

So what? We are back to elitist argument? Football tickets cost more.

There's another thread where people are telling a professional chef with 10 years experience how dare she expect more than £9ph in a pandemic.

Why are people in the Arts more deserving of a fair wage?

But it’s not just the artists who play the music or act or paint who are affected is it?
It’s the janitors, the ticket collectors, the barmen, the costume makers, the set makers, the lighting crew, the sound crew, the tour bus drivers, the people who build the stages, the PR people, the HR people, the printers who print the posters and flyers and tickets and programmes, the people who sell T-shirt’s and merch outside, the bars and resturants next to the theatres who’s main trade is theatre goers, the taxis who’s make a bomb of ferrying people home, and so on.
Nothing and nobody works in isolation.

If the holiday industry does then it’s not just the airlines and hotels, it the companies that make flip flops and bikinis, the travel insurers, the suitcase makers, the ice cream shops and the car rental companies, the airport minibuses, all the people tha clean and serve at the airports, etc

If the sports industry dies then it’s the sports kit makers, the green keepers, the ticket collectors etc etc

Then there’s the fact that these millions of people won’t have the money to go out drinking/eating/buying clothes etc which means retails will spiral down causing redundancies there.

More people out of work, less jobs to go round.

That means people won’t be able to buy houses and have mortgages, won’t be buying extra insurance, won’t be paying into thier pensions etc etc which means less work for bankers and estate agents and lawyers.

Less taxes claimed means less money to spend on the nhs which means job losses there too while an increase in health issues due to poverty!!

People will be spending less on food and drink so luxury food shops and manufacturers will also have less demand.

Less people working means less need for commercial properties so all the big landlords income will drop, and a lot of big commercial premises are owned by pension companies and the like so a lot of people’s pensions funds will be decimated!!

Basically unless you sell bread and water or are an MP then then this will affect you at some point in some way!!! It’s not as easy to say all these people should just get another job in another industry!! Where are all these extra jobs going to come from?!!!