Aibu to think the new Sunak scheme is woeful

[Marg33t]

New scheme is going to make lots of people lose their homes and starve.

Employers to pay 1/3rd of wages is way too high. They will cut viable jobs that will bounce back otherwise.

I'm happy to pay my taxes for all that need it to continue to receive furlough as this scheme will keep people in poverty.

Aibu to think it's a mistep?

@Silp

Cannot believe how ungrateful people are. I was always told to put smthg away for a rainy day. Rishi Sunak has done SO much for the people in this country, be thankful you live here, & not in another country where you get NOTHING.

What a load of shit. The fact is we don't live anywhere else. I have zero to be grateful to Sunak for - he has done absolutely zero for me and thousands (if not millions) of others.

@SkiingIsHeaven

What is the answer?

There is not a bottomless pit of money.

Actually in a way there is - we have to get out of the ridiculous idea that government borrowing is in any way comparable to personal or household borrowing - it really isn't.

I was taught to save up for a rainy day, you shouldn't expect others to bail you out.

You can hardly compare COVID with a rainy day.

I was shocked at how poor it was. Most accountants I know suggested he would be forced to provide a 2nd furlough, but at a reduced rate.

But this is pitiful.

You can hardly call a national pandemic a rainy day, it's been raining most of the year.

Maybe the country that got us into this shit should pledge a donation.

The country that got us into it is having a grand old time with parties

The rest of us are under the hammer and getting worse

Yes it's like leaving a trail of destruction and walking of in the sunset.

I do think the countries that have invested in public health care, are willing to fund proper state-run testing etc, must wonder wtf countries like the UK are doing.

£12 billion on test and trace, and it doesn't fucking work just money down the private business drain. If we really were worried about money we'd have spent half as much for twice the output with local public health teams. The Tories don't give a stuff about 'fiscal responsibility' as long as their private business friends are getting the contracts.

@MarshaBradyo

The country that got us into it is having a grand old time with parties

The rest of us are under the hammer and getting worse

Do you mean China?

I think a pandemic was a ticking time-bomb, it could have come from anywhere.

But it came from china who now have shrugged of all responsibility and clearly don't give a fuck about the mess they caused.

There are enough taxes to pay for the service we get, it has been totally mis managed, and the Tory mates G4S SERCO Randox have made billions out of this, the NHS and army were there to be used already paid for. Well done for voting for BJ......

I agree with the notion that should at least be at work part-time, and indeed this will avoid some of the resentment that the original scheme brought.

I would have preferred a scheme tailored to sectors of the economy that are struggling but would not be in normal times.

There again, he's supported millions of people too. I know many small businesses that would have gone under without his lifeline. The people who should be utterley ashamed of themselves are the multi millionaires for money grabbing, furloughing staff that they don't even employ!!! Instead of berating Rishi for not giving billions more, perhaps we should boycott the country it came from: STOP elevating the Chinese economy- stop buying their goods ( electrical or otherwise)stop eating in their restaurants, stop buying their takeaways & don't holiday there ( whenever that may be). The Chinese are now enjoying their freedom, while the UK & the rest of the world are suffering. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Put the blame on the country that started this pandemic, not our government, this money tree has got to stop

Silp. I think your brand of lunacy is better suited to twitter.

I'm a karaoke compere- Its not high brow, some would say it's not working in the "arts" but I have been running karaoke nights for 15 years and it provides so much more than just a bit of a laugh in the pub. Every night I've ever run has had a regular group of customers, often vulnerable or elderly or both, often people on the edge of society for various reasons. Karaoke provides an opportunity to go to a pub alone and strike up conversation without feeling awkward, it's a community activity and for the last 6 months it's just gone, and now we're told that its definitely not returning any time soon, my job is not viable. I have a husband with a reasonable income, I have a small income job part time in the daytime, we wont starve, but the majority of my income has always been from the karaoke. I know I'm good at hosting, it's something others value and without any prospect of returning to it, I feel pretty rubbish. Financial help would be great,but we need a better solution than just saying "retrain for a viable job".

I’d the UK government wouldn’t keep putting money over life’s, the situation wouldn’t be as bad as it is and there wouldn’t need to be more furlough options.

If

Wow, Domino20, loved your input on how to sort this mess out

Bahaha. You think blaming China will sort out UKs mess? Last time I looked the Chinese Communist regime didn't forward any candidates to the UK parliament.

@Silp

There again, he's supported millions of people too. I know many small businesses that would have gone under without his lifeline. The people who should be utterley ashamed of themselves are the multi millionaires for money grabbing, furloughing staff that they don't even employ!!! Instead of berating Rishi for not giving billions more, perhaps we should boycott the country it came from: STOP elevating the Chinese economy- stop buying their goods ( electrical or otherwise)stop eating in their restaurants, stop buying their takeaways & don't holiday there ( whenever that may be). The Chinese are now enjoying their freedom, while the UK & the rest of the world are suffering. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Put the blame on the country that started this pandemic, not our government, this money tree has got to stop

You are letting the cray cray talk there slip but I admire your passion Country's aren't responsible for the virus - unless they manufacture and release it deliberately. You could argue that the UK should have bolted down its borders on news of the virus leaving China - we would have thought our government was bonkers if they had done it at the time and I don't really want to live in a country which doesn't allow us some freedom of will, even if that costs some lives as we couldn't have kept the virus out forever.

Maybe we will have to become more reliant on domestic products and building businesses that we used to have in abundance like manufacturing, textiles and farming instead of relying on imports. Let's face it we could create an abundance of new businesses and jobs if there is still land which hasn't a housing estate on it. I think like some other person has said on this post, there is a raft of hard working middle level paid people who will lose houses at this time as the middle class people are always worse targeted. No benefits and no abundance of excess wealth stashed.

I haven't read the whole thread but only have popped up to vent. It's a fucking shambles. Everything: the coronavirus response, brexit, the economy. Built on 10 years of a right-wing ideologue government with short-termism in its veins. Now the shit has hit the fan.

My "solution" (which means nothing, but defenders of this crap seem to demand it): beef up UC so it is no longer punitive and instead supports people, plough shitloads of money into homelessness and mental health support. There will be bucket loads of social problems for a generation to come (if not longer). The cost will be saved by not having deal with the outcomes of these social problems for the next 20 years.

At the moment, it is a fucking lottery who gets help. Those in a "non-viable" industry (who chooses?) and those with unscrupulous employers or employers who will act as humans do and save their own family's bacon rather than an employee's will be buggered. Those who were fortunate enough to choose the right family to be born into or choose the right career and the right company will be okay through luck.

I am really angry. I am british and dh isn't. We have to choose which country to live in before the end of the transition period. We used to live in the UK and I watched dh work 60-70 hours a week for 17 k a year. This was 8 years ago before it really got shit - we got out. I feel that I can't subject my family to living somewhere where people's lives don't matter - simply wage slages and then irrelevant if they can't earn.

One simple solution: extend the transition period for brexit. This is going to get a lot worse. I have a feeling that it hasn't touched the sides yet.

@Endoftether2000

Maybe we will have to become more reliant on domestic products and building businesses that we used to have in abundance like manufacturing, textiles and farming instead of relying on imports. Let's face it we could create an abundance of new businesses and jobs if there is still land which hasn't a housing estate on it. I think like some other person has said on this post, there is a raft of hard working middle level paid people who will lose houses at this time as the middle class people are always worse targeted. No benefits and no abundance of excess wealth stashed.

Fully agree. The reliance/dominance of the service industries over the past 20 years is coming home to roost now.