Aibu to think the new Sunak scheme is woeful

[Marg33t]

New scheme is going to make lots of people lose their homes and starve.

Employers to pay 1/3rd of wages is way too high. They will cut viable jobs that will bounce back otherwise.

I'm happy to pay my taxes for all that need it to continue to receive furlough as this scheme will keep people in poverty.

Aibu to think it's a mistep?

Re the arts, lots of artists could teach other adults 1 to 1 online

If it wasn't so depressing this would be funny.
Firstly, wtf wants to teach rather than do it themselves?
Secondly, Wtf is going to want to learn something that is obsolete.
How many courses do you see for Coopers?

Also, the benefits required to support mass unemployment which would result from the total shutdown of the arts do not exist. They aren't there. It's not as simple as "just go on benefits". People will go hungry and lose their homes.

That is always a known risk working in the arts though isn't it ?

It's really not just the arts though. Live sport tends to normally do really well during recessions, people want a bit of escapism. Live events like festivals as well. Conferences are bread and butter stuff.
Weddings are normally a constant. Travel is normally a constant.
This is all affected. It's huge. These sectors can either barely operate or not operate at all.

@LizzieSiddal

It's classed as a luxury so one of the things to be cut back on when times are hard.

So no new books, films, TV programmes, music etc etc?

But TV had started filming?

I don’t watch it but remember it on the news

Coronation Street to resume filming next week without older cast members. ITV soap Coronation Street has confirmed it will resume filming on Tuesday 9th June 2020, following an enforced break in production due to the UK pandemic lockdown since March.1

Others must be the same, Netflix etc

@GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat

Does anyone hear ‘jobs in the arts’ and just think ‘hobby’?

I’m not saying it is by the way, but we’re not taking about saving schools or hospitals or the food chain are we? Some people will have to lose their jobs unfortunately, it’s a pandemic and a shit time but it was very clear at the beginning that not every job would be able to be saved.

Only the ignorant.

Please do shed some light on the more meaningful - non-hobby - work you do?

For those who think the Arts is a 'luxury' you are woefully uniformed.

From the Govt website...

New government figures show the country's successful creative industries contributed £111.7 billion to the UK in 2018, equivalent to £306 million every day.

www.gov.uk/government/news/uks-creative-industries-contributes-almost-13-million-to-the-uk-economy-every-hour#:~:text=New%20government%20figures%20show%20the,%C2%A3306%20million%20every%20day.

That is always a known risk working in the arts though isn't it ?

Yes, it's all their own fault, along with anyone who works in travel and tourism, hospitality, events etc. Fuckers. Should have chosen a proper job shouldn't they.

@lizziesiddal why can't people still write books, make tv, films or music?

@catontherun

That is always a known risk working in the arts though isn't it ?

It's classed as a luxury so one of the things to be cut back on when times are hard.

FFS. Good societies pool risk.

This is a depressing position to take.

I would raise taxes of high earners (myself included btw) and use those taxes to provide financial support to those in the arts and other industries which apparently aren't "viable

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you @ChromaBook but I am interested in what constitutes a high earner? I have seen a main breadwinner on £50k placed in the “high earner” bracket along with someone on £250k. I have seen a £90k earner placed in the “wealthy” bracket alongside those with enough money to manage their tax bill to a tiny percentage. So I am now very confused about who the people are who should have their taxes raised and where that bracket starts.

I’m not defending my own position (sadly) as I work in MH with a salary that is in no danger of falling into the high earner bracket, what ever the parameters of that bracket are.

@ChromaBook

That is always a known risk working in the arts though isn't it ?

Yes, it's all their own fault, along with anyone who works in travel and tourism, hospitality, events etc. Fuckers. Should have chosen a proper job shouldn't they.

Should have all been undertakers.

[quote pipnchops]@lizziesiddal why can't people still write books, make tv, films or music?[/quote]
Yep plus galleries open

No one is talking about TV the issue is the bits that are closed i.e. live music, theatre etc.

That is always a known risk working in the arts though isn't it ?

No more risk than any other industry, what would make anyone think differently It creates far more wealth for the economy than sport, almost twice as much.

I am interested in what constitutes a high earner

DH and I have a joint income of about 120k in London and I would classify us as a high earning household.

@RepeatSwan

No one is talking about TV the issue is the bits that are closed i.e. live music, theatre etc.

TV, film and books have been mentioned loads

So this thread is not about arts but live music and theatre

I'm shocked by some of the ignorance and prejudice on this thread. I'm self employed in an industry, similar to the arts, which has been decimated. I thought I'd have work again next year but it's now looking unlikely. I've applied for loads of jobs but they're not easy to get. Life feels broken and I'm struggling financially and emotionally. The lack of empathy for people who simply cannot work in their profession at the moment is staggering.

TV, film and books have been mentioned loads

Only as a rejoinder to people saying the arts are just a luxury and don't matter.

Well clearly if you're still working and still earning, you don't need support.

That's seems self-evident.

I'm shocked by some of the ignorance and prejudice on this thread.

I'm with you. Utterly disgusting, isn't it.

@MaxNormal
I didn’t say all, but I do know plenty who won’t work in a shop or a pub etc or anything manual.

Well let’s clarify who we mean

Live music
Theatre - is that operating anywhere?

You can still make music, so that’s not gone

@ChromaBook

TV, film and books have been mentioned loads

Only as a rejoinder to people saying the arts are just a luxury and don't matter.

Not really, people are saying TV staff also affected:

It's classed as a luxury so one of the things to be cut back on when times are hard.

So no new books, films, TV programmes, music etc etc?

@ChromaBook

I'm shocked by some of the ignorance and prejudice on this thread.

I'm with you. Utterly disgusting, isn't it.

It's grim but not shocking, is always this way when the arts get discussed. Same percentage of people would cut their budgets any chance they get.

Because the whole arts sector is not gone as some are mentioning