Aibu to think the new Sunak scheme is woeful

[Marg33t]

New scheme is going to make lots of people lose their homes and starve.

Employers to pay 1/3rd of wages is way too high. They will cut viable jobs that will bounce back otherwise.

I'm happy to pay my taxes for all that need it to continue to receive furlough as this scheme will keep people in poverty.

Aibu to think it's a mistep?

@ChromaBook

It's also a load of bollocks, there are hundreds of tiny, indepedent theatre companies struggling to survive where tickets don't cost even a fraction of that.

Why are the British so ignorant.

I live in London, tickets are expensive even in independent theatre companies.

Wouldnt be necessary if the economy was allowed to function.

Insane isnt it.

Yes the sectors are big which is why paying furlough is too expense to maintain long term.

@ChromaBook

Which are very expensive and out of the bounds for many. £50 for not particularly good seats in the West End.

It's also a load of bollocks, there are hundreds of tiny, indepedent theatre companies struggling to survive where tickets don't cost even a fraction of that.

Why are the British so ignorant.

I would suggest that it is more likely a person who assumes the character of a whole country based on one post on mn is more likely the ignorant one!

I live in London, tickets are expensive even in independent theatre companies.

So do I, and no they aren't.

The majority in the sector are S/E anyway so all this won’t apply.

I would suggest that it is more likely a person who assumes the character of a whole country based on one post on mn is more likely the ignorant one!

The British are notoriously ignorant and dismissive of the arts. Look at the comments on this thread.

Try speaking about the arts that way in Spain, France, Germany and many other European countries and you would be laughed out of the room.

I live in London, tickets are expensive even in independent theatre companies.

Pre-kids I went to the theatre at least 3 times a week in London. I rarely paid more than £20 for a ticket. Usually more like a tenner.

@ChromaBook

So do I, and no they aren't.

What a laughable response. And you say I'm ignorant. I think that would be you.

@PimlicoJo actually it is a bit crap this time for the SE - only 20%, which seems considerably less than what employees will get.
And only from November. Which means there is a 2-month gap for Sept and Oct - also a bit crap.

"The initial lump sum will cover three months’ worth of profits for the period from November to the end of January next year. This is worth 20% of average monthly profits, up to a total of £1,875."
www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-outlines-winter-economy-plan

"Pre-kids I went to the theatre at least 3 times a week in London. I rarely paid more than £20 for a ticket. Usually more like a tenner."

How old are your kids Peach? 50?

Two and a half! Pub theatre, independent theatre, places with loyalty schemes like the Southwark Playhouse, The Globe - many offer tickets for near enough a tenner. West End prices are bonkers (although I can understand why). But there's plenty else out there.

And unless you've never hired a band, a DJ, a party planner, gone to a theatre, bought a painting, watched a TV programme, then you would be very short sighted to hold such a view
I think that the trouble is, the vast majority of people only seem to engage in the arts via tv programmes. Very few even seem to read a book, let alone go to the theatre or buy a painting. Therefore, when we talk about the arts, people seem to think it doesn't affect them.

@peachgreen standing at the Globe for a cheap seat is not really the same is it?

Fair enough. I'm not in London, I'm in a local lockdown area and singers are on in venues, we've seen a comedian and have also had filming going on in the area. The local theatre hasn't opened but the cinemas have.

My photographer friends say their business has picked up and are fully booked for Xmas shoots already. They've had to be creative but that is what they do best!

Travel agent friends are not doing so well and aren't expecting much to change.

"Very few even seem to read a book"

I think Amazon would beg to differ

Another arts worker here absolutely devastated and furious about how little the arts are valued. As a previous poster clearly outlined the knock on effect of this industry going under will he huge and will affect most people and the economy at large. If you're so selfish as to not care about all the people and families who will be affected by this you should at least understand how it will effect everything else.

Also regularly go to the theatre in London for a lot less than £50, many burlesque, stand up, gigs, theatre performance tickets you can get for a fiver!

@cadent quite a few actually. Lots of tv prod is done by independent companies on behalf of Bbc, itv, Netflix etc.

@cadent It's better in my opinion, but I guess it's not for everyone. Lots of other options though.

@ChromaBook

There is no money - why can’t people just bloody understand that!!!!

There would be if they put taxes up for high earners. HTH.

It doesn't work like that. You can't just put up taxes and expect money to come rolling in. When the Additional rate of tax was brought back down from 50% to 45% it actually brought in more money. Likewise reducing the Corporation Tax rate has resulted in higher takings for the Treasury.

I actually think the events industry is way more fucked than the arts.

The arts do have some functions still and quite frankly if they innovate a lot could survive, people still crave music and drama, companies still require adverts to be filmed. Why doesn’t a salaried musician offer to play an intimate session at a premium price for couples in their garden? Legal, romantic, people are seeking joy. Change, adapt, seek opportunity!

Events however, not only is it dead now, the more companies realise what can be achieved remotely the longer it will be hit. Our expenses have gone down exponentially, we’ve innovated to deliver our events virtually (in house team), and we’ve found higher engagement from a wider audience.

We will go back to hosting some events but it will be minuscule compared to where we were, so all those external stand builders, caterers etc. We simply won’t be using again sadly.

@BrieAndChilli you've posted so much more eloquently than me. Honestly people are not grasping this. The knock-on effect of having multiple sectors completely hamstrung is going to be enormous.

Well we don’t have the money as a country to keep everyone on furlough indefinitely.

Yes we do. It's time for the super-rich to step up to the plate and hand over all their income over £30k. We're all in this together, after all.

I think Amazon would beg to differ
I just googled quickly, and found.
"51% of UK adults say they have read a book in the last year, and it was most likely a physical book, according to Kantar data."
That means 49% haven't. So about half the adult population haven't read a book in the last year.

[quote MaxNormal]@BrieAndChilli you've posted so much more eloquently than me. Honestly people are not grasping this. The knock-on effect of having multiple sectors completely hamstrung is going to be enormous.[/quote]
Do you want the hang strung sectors to operate as normal rather than be paid via schemes? The latter is too much to sustain financially.

But the former will impact healthcare.