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To think if you're married there's no risk to be a SAHM?

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southparkroses · 22/09/2020 16:12

I keep reading on here that it's risky for the woman to give up work to look after children, but if you're married, isn't that protection enough?

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Bluntness100 · 22/09/2020 18:55

I know where all our money and investments are and have access to all of it

So I’m guessing your half is enough to keep you after divorce?

SpaceRaiders · 22/09/2020 18:57

All well and good, if you remain married, otherwise you’re fucked!

A friend of a friend is currently going through a divorce after 25 years of marriage and 4 children. They’ve been separated over 3 years in the interim H has been getting his business affairs in order and disposing of assets on the sly. Whilst bringing a succession of 20 year old girls round to the barn on the grounds of the family home. W has low MH and has simply buried her head in the sand whilst this all goes on under her nose. She’s facing her 50’s without a pension, pretty much unemployable given the time she hasn’t worked since her late twenties, youngest dc (13) still in school and a H who is hiding assets & disposing of income. She’ll be lucky if the shes able to get any equity out of the family home. He on the other hand will set up his businesses again with a woman half W’s age. Minimise his income and avoid paying for his youngest dc leaving W destitute.

Bluntness100 · 22/09/2020 18:58

So when the SAHM decides s to get a job will the dad be doing his fair share of childcare??? Because it doesn’t happen like that in most cases yet your quick to point out that the woman should “fund” herself but it’s not just as simple as that when you have kids is it

Really? Most cases? And you do know school, paid child care is a thing right?

RepDom21 · 22/09/2020 19:11

@Bluntness100 yes really. Most dads I know don’t take their kids 50% of the time along side of working full time. Yes I know what child Care is too.... this still involved the dad mother picking and dropping them off. That was my point.

tigger001 · 22/09/2020 19:17

Yes, deposit down for renting initially, keep me for reasonable amount of time until I find a job, proven earnings and enough left for a deposit on a house.

Or i just have him bumped off before divorce is sorted.

tigger001 · 22/09/2020 19:18

So when the SAHM decides s to get a job will the dad be doing his fair share of childcare???

Who are all these women marrying and having kids with ??? Baffles me.

Dee1975 · 22/09/2020 19:18

Well, only if you were ever to divorce. Just because you get divorced doesn’t mean you will keep the house and have the household income you have now.

Dozer · 22/09/2020 19:21

LowER risk than SAH when unmarried, but still a huge personal risk. One v few men are willing to take.

ukgift2016 · 22/09/2020 19:21

More protected as he can't just throw you out the family home but BIG risk as your earning potential is less and you won't have the same lifestyle.

If your with a man who a big earner and will have to pay spousal maintenance, that makes up for it. However, I would never trust a man to look after me my whole life.

Sem1Sk1mmed · 22/09/2020 19:22

You’d need to have a very rich husband to manage without a career post divorce.

Getting a new house on half equity with zero ability to get a mortgage would be more than a little risky.

The vast majority with average earning husbands and lower aren’t going to get much post divorce to live on.

Marriage giving you security is a MN myth. Your own career and pension gives you security.

MrsAvocet · 22/09/2020 19:30

One of my friends has just found out the hard way that there is little protection for a SAHM if the marriage ends. I will be deliberately vague as it isn't my place to tell her story, but suffice it to say she has been screwed over both emotionally and financially by a man she thought she was happily married to for 20 years and has gone from a very nice lifestyle in a large detached house to working in a minimum wage job and renting a tiny flat. With hindsight there were signs of what was going on, and she was far too trusting, but that's what people do with people that they believe love them isn't it?

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AlwaysLatte · 22/09/2020 19:40

It could be a risk but if the marriage is a strong one and family carefully planned then it's a small one. Apart from the occasional evening babysitter we've done all the caring for our children ourselves which is important to us (I'm a SAHM and my DH has had quite a lot of time at home as he ran his own consultancy from home then took early retirement). Although I would be independently financially solvent myself if anything happened as I had my own house and savings when we met. It really depends on the circumstances.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 22/09/2020 19:48

As the PP says, it totally depends on the circumstances. If the SAHP has their own assets it’s less risky. I was a SAHM for a few years but had savings that could’ve tied me over if we split. I’ve been back at work for a while now, because I knew it wouldn’t be a good idea to be out of the workforce for ages.

The long-term SAHP’s I know all have considerable assets of their own ( talking a lot of money).

southparkroses · 22/09/2020 19:58

@Therarestone

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No it isn't
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Arthersleep · 22/09/2020 20:01

Yes it is a risk. And it will certainly impact upon your long term career potential and pension. However, in my view, with risks often come great rewards and it would be a shame if the fear of career uncertainty stopped women from becoming sahms if they were happily married and wanted to be more hands on with their children.

DuesToTheDirt · 22/09/2020 20:21

You may find yourself in other kinds of financial trouble than divorce. One couple I knew, the man (who had moved to this country for his job) lost his job and they went from doing OK to suddenly hard up, with extra costs like shipping if they had to move back. They decided not to rely on one income again.

The other couple, when he lost his job they had to move back in with parents for a year, in their 40s.

dairyswim · 22/09/2020 20:25

It's only on MN that I hear about SAHMs; in real life, I know two and only one of them has plans to remain a SAHM.

I think its complete madness that anybody would give up their earning power.

Sacados · 22/09/2020 20:57

It's not risk free, but it's a hell of a lot less risky than becoming a SAHP when you're not married.

It's heartbreaking when you read a thread here started by some poor woman who's had kids, given up her job years ago, and is living with the kids' father in a house which is in his name (as are pretty much all the other assets). All of a sudden he is acting like a dick, or he's met someone else, and she realises that she is screwed (and that maybe this is why he never wanted to get married). OK, it's not a great situation to be in if you ARE married, but it's a lot worse when you're not.

eatsleepread · 22/09/2020 21:00

I have 3 daughters, and I don't think I'll be able to hammer the financial independence point hard enough, as they grow up!
It's very important for a woman to keep her hand in at work. Things can change in life, and it doesn't pay to take one's marriage for granted take it from one who knows.

G5000 · 22/09/2020 21:06

but if the marriage is a strong one and family carefully planned then it's a small one.

If you read all the threads on Relationships board about men walking away from their families and refusing to pay even a penny for kids, then most of them thought they had a strong marriage, planned kids and their OH would never do anything like that.

Graphista · 22/09/2020 21:51

It’s not total protection!

It gives you a higher level of security than not being married but it’s still better to maintain as much independence as possible.

Following my own experience (divorced, hadn’t been a Sahm for long at that point, ex emptied the joint bank accounts, took the family car and various valuables without my knowledge or agreement) I would always advise that all women, especially mothers do the following:

Have a sole bank account with a DIFFERENT bank than his/joint account

As much as possible have funds set aside in that account for emergencies, if you can manage at least enough to cover 1 months living costs

If possible have an emergency credit card

Lots of mners advise to have a pension too, something I lack knowledge on but hope to rectify soon.

However, yes my ex was a dick initially financially, we didn’t have much in the way of “assets” but eventually because we were married he had to repay what he’d taken which he was NOT happy about! It wasn’t loads but it was enough for me to get another car (basic used, the family car was new), pay off overdraft and cover a little (not a full month) of childcare. Wouldn’t have had that if we’d not been married so I’d still say being married is better than not.

It isn’t exactly unusual for separated families to have 50\50 shared cate or close to it nowadays

In my experience the reality of supposed “50/50 care” is that the woman still has majority responsibility for paid childcare, time off work when kids sick/on holiday/locked down, costs for the dc (clothes, shoes, uniform etc) and in actuality all it means is the dad sees them a few more evenings a week for “disney dadding” which generally includes late nights on school nights, poor routine and all the consequences of these issues...which the mum gets blamed for/has to pick up the pieces!

Otherwise they great deal, they get to be around to spend time with their children and bringing them up exactly as they choose, and they get it all for free. it’s not “free” it’s at the expense of their own finances and employability! And a lot certainly don’t raise the dc “exactly as they choose”

It's worth doing the child maintenance calculator online- I was shocked how little I would get if me and dh split up I agree the amounts are woefully low! It can provide knowledge to a point

BUT bear in mind that a LOT of us have had major problems getting csa and then cms to get reluctant Nrps to pay up! I had a situation where it really SHOULDN’T have been difficult at all! He was in the army, employed and paid by the govt, they knew exactly where he was at any given time and how much he earned and I STILL had to fight tooth and nail for the payments I did receive which were underpaid, inconsistent and unreliable!

Unless and until we have a govt that actually gives a shit about the children with separated/divorced parents we won’t have a govt child maintenance agency that actually gets off its arse and makes sure nrps pay, nor a justice system that effectively deals with those that don’t!

and their OH would never do anything like that you have no idea how someone will treat you after a split until you’re there!

My ex’s behaviour all round was such a change in character his family were genuinely concerned for him - initially! While we were together he’d always treated me fairly financially speaking, was highly critical of “deadbeat dads” and was a hands on devoted father, pretty much as soon as we split he completely changed!

NEVER rely on how a man is while you’re still together.

LozEliza · 22/09/2020 22:03

Relying on one income is a huge risk and puts an incredible amount of pressure on the earner to maintain their job and continue to provide at all costs. The current environment is a perfect example of where this is not always possible.

thepeopleversuswork · 22/09/2020 22:04

Arthersleep

"it would be a shame if the fear of career uncertainty stopped women from becoming sahms if they were happily married and wanted to be more hands on with their children".

So much flawed logic here I don't know where to start:

Firstly you make it sound as if being a SAHM is the pinnacle of every woman's achievement and something for all to aim towards. In fact, while it works perfectly well for some and is no doubt rewarding, its far from a universal choice, as the millions of women in the labour force demonstrates. It's also odd to suggest that careers are somehow "holding women back" from being with their children. It is possible for both partners to both work and be hands on with their children. The two things are not mutually exclusive for either sex.

Also everyone's happily married until they're not. Of course it would be great if you could predict at the start of your marriage that your husband will happily and faithfully support you through your child-rearing years and beyond and take this to the bank. But for about half of the people who get married, it doesn't work out like that. Surely if you're dealing with these odds it makes sense to have a back-up plan?

Sorryusernamealreadyexists · 22/09/2020 22:08

I would never want to be financially dependent on anyone, ever!

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